Re: A couple questions about incidental catches
[Re: Bushwhack Jack]
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02/16/21 05:14 PM
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Be sure to take a pair of cable cutters (not wire cutters), you'll be glad you have them if you need to release (just to be clear I'm not suggesting just cut the cable, cut the loop) its just a lot easier to cut the snare off antlers or foot with cable cutters with a single snip rather than trying to gnaw cable with wire snips. .
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Re: A couple questions about incidental catches
[Re: martenpine]
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02/16/21 06:41 PM
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Be sure to take a pair of cable cutters (not wire cutters), you'll be glad you have them if you need to release (just to be clear I'm not suggesting just cut the cable, cut the loop) its just a lot easier to cut the snare off antlers or foot with cable cutters with a single snip rather than trying to gnaw cable with wire snips. . Thanks for the tip. I will do that for sure.
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Re: A couple questions about incidental catches
[Re: white17]
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02/16/21 06:41 PM
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I once found a medium sized ungulate with a snare around one side of his antlers. It was standing still but when I approached it became a whirling dervish.
I backed off and it became still again. I was fortunate enough to succeed at shooting that one antler off below the snare. Everyone left the scene none the worse for wear.
I once found a frozen solid larger ungulate. I felt pretty lousy until the biologist at the time pointed out that killing one wolf would save 10-12 of the ungulates. Crazy story!
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Re: A couple questions about incidental catches
[Re: Bushwhack Jack]
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02/16/21 08:08 PM
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Lots of great comments and thoughts to this thread. As i understand the question, what is the legal process if you "take" a caribou unlawfully by using a snare or trap". So what do the regulations state. 1. 5 AAC 92.220(7)(h) a game animal taken in violation of AS 16 or a regulation adopted under AS 16 is property of the state. 2. 5 AAC 92.220(7)(d) also says, A person taking game not listed in this section shall salvage for human consumption all edible meat as defined in 5 AAC 92.990(26). 3. 5AAC 92.095(12) states, by placing or leaving an active snare or trap set on land or ice that is with in300 feet of the site at which a moose, caribou or deer was killed as a result of being caught in a trap or snare; this prohibition applies for the duration of the regulatory year in which the moose, caribou, or deer was killed as a result of being caught in the trap or snare. So what does this all mean? Scenario 1. You come along on your trapline trail and you have snared a caribou and it is dead. What next? 1. Is the caribou frozen solid? My experience with large game that have died and froze solid is that, the meat is not edible for human consumption, because it has cooked from the inside out. Bloating, stomach acids and all that good stuff. Remove or inactive all snares and traps with in 300 feet of kill site for the duration of the regulatory year. That is all you have to do by regulation. 2. Is the caribou dead but still flexible? If so, you should gut it and surrender it to ADF&G or troopers. Again remove or inactive all traps and snares with in 300 feet of kill site. Scenario 2. The caribou is alive in your set. This a little more complicated and involves your physical capabilities and your ethics, nether of which are noted in regulation. So you can release the caribou. If this works and the animal leaves, you can continue trapping or snaring at the site. If you cannot release the caribou you have two choices. 1. You can kill the caribou (note nothing in regulation state you have to do that). If you chose to do this then you must salvage it. You can gut a caribou and surrender it to ADF&G or troopers. Make sure all traps and snares are inactive with in 300 feet of the kill site before leaving. 2. The ethical portion. You can inactive all traps and snares with in 300 feet of the site where the caribou is going to die and leave. According to the regulations. Other things you can do, but are not stated in regulations. Call ADF&G or the troopers and let them know your situation. Sometimes this is advisable if you in an area where others may see the dead caribou and report it. If you have let the authorities know about it, they won't have to respond to the call about the kill. Sometimes the authorities will assist you in your situation. Also if you are not clear yet on your responsibilities, they will let you know what they want (not always what the regulations state, but they are happy). That's my two cents, take it for what it is worth.
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Re: A couple questions about incidental catches
[Re: isnarewolves]
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02/16/21 11:59 PM
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Lots of great comments and thoughts to this thread. As i understand the question, what is the legal process if you "take" a caribou unlawfully by using a snare or trap". So what do the regulations state. 1. 5 AAC 92.220(7)(h) a game animal taken in violation of AS 16 or a regulation adopted under AS 16 is property of the state. 2. 5 AAC 92.220(7)(d) also says, A person taking game not listed in this section shall salvage for human consumption all edible meat as defined in 5 AAC 92.990(26). 3. 5AAC 92.095(12) states, by placing or leaving an active snare or trap set on land or ice that is with in300 feet of the site at which a moose, caribou or deer was killed as a result of being caught in a trap or snare; this prohibition applies for the duration of the regulatory year in which the moose, caribou, or deer was killed as a result of being caught in the trap or snare. So what does this all mean? Scenario 1. You come along on your trapline trail and you have snared a caribou and it is dead. What next? 1. Is the caribou frozen solid? My experience with large game that have died and froze solid is that, the meat is not edible for human consumption, because it has cooked from the inside out. Bloating, stomach acids and all that good stuff. Remove or inactive all snares and traps with in 300 feet of kill site for the duration of the regulatory year. That is all you have to do by regulation. 2. Is the caribou dead but still flexible? If so, you should gut it and surrender it to ADF&G or troopers. Again remove or inactive all traps and snares with in 300 feet of kill site. Scenario 2. The caribou is alive in your set. This a little more complicated and involves your physical capabilities and your ethics, nether of which are noted in regulation. So you can release the caribou. If this works and the animal leaves, you can continue trapping or snaring at the site. If you cannot release the caribou you have two choices. 1. You can kill the caribou (note nothing in regulation state you have to do that). If you chose to do this then you must salvage it. You can gut a caribou and surrender it to ADF&G or troopers. Make sure all traps and snares are inactive with in 300 feet of the kill site before leaving. 2. The ethical portion. You can inactive all traps and snares with in 300 feet of the site where the caribou is going to die and leave. According to the regulations. Other things you can do, but are not stated in regulations. Call ADF&G or the troopers and let them know your situation. Sometimes this is advisable if you in an area where others may see the dead caribou and report it. If you have let the authorities know about it, they won't have to respond to the call about the kill. Sometimes the authorities will assist you in your situation. Also if you are not clear yet on your responsibilities, they will let you know what they want (not always what the regulations state, but they are happy). That's my two cents, take it for what it is worth. Wow! Very informative post. I am indebted to you sir. Thank you.
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Re: A couple questions about incidental catches
[Re: nooksack]
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02/17/21 02:46 PM
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The method I have used successfully several times in the past. Back when I was gung ho, and less intelligent hanging a lot of snares was explained to me by Spotter at a wolf trapping class at Twin bears camp in 2001 or 2002 not sure, maybe I'm less intelligent now =) but I don't hang snares in browse anymore.
I met some of the most generous solid trappers at that class that I have had the pleasure to spend time with.
I have 3 20' ropes with a 2" steel ring similar to the one on the end of the trap chain that is spliced into each rope. Make a loop with the ring drop it on the ground in the catch circle, when one foot is in the loop quickly whip slack in toward the leg and as the loop rises off the ground pull tight. Wrap around a tree and cinch with a truckers knot tight enough it can't come off. Toss the second loop on the ground and repeat. This time get a front leg if you have a back or vice versa. Now cinch everything tight until the target falls over or push them over. Cinch again if possible. Now carefully cut the snare off. loosen both lines and get out of the way. The steel ring keeps the line from binding and it falls off faster than a bowline or similar.
It's one of those things, that if you choose to hang snares you have to be responsible for the outcome. Cutting the snare from the anchor is not. Still sketchy at best but it works for me. Definitely better to do it in the daytime =)
Interesting. Thanks. I wish you could take a picture. I understand the basic concept of what you are saying but I am having a hard time picturing it in my mind. Not really sure how the loops formed from the ring just fall off once the snare is cut. Thanks for the tips.
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Re: A couple questions about incidental catches
[Re: Bushwhack Jack]
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02/17/21 03:20 PM
02/17/21 03:20 PM
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What he saying once the snare is cut and the rope is loosen. the rope because it has a ring instead of a rope loop. it will loop will open quicker, thus saving you from having to chase and find your rope when the moose runs away.
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Re: A couple questions about incidental catches
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02/17/21 03:39 PM
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. Scenario 2. The caribou is alive in your set. . 1. You can kill the caribou (note nothing in regulation state you have to do that). If you chose to do this then you must salvage it. You can gut a caribou and surrender it to ADF&G or troopers. Make sure all traps and snares are inactive with in 300 feet of the kill site before leaving. 2. The ethical portion. You can inactive all traps and snares with in 300 feet This would be my last choice by far. Personally I would check with the troopers before I dropped the hammer. I believe there have been cases made in this scenario.
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