Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
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02/16/21 11:43 PM
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For harder killing woody species I have considerable better luck spraying the whole plant than cutting and treating the stump. Treating the stump doesn't take as much chemical into the roots and some stubborn species regrow about a hundred shoots from the roots then it take years of spraying the shoots to get the roots killed. Just food for thought. And we spent a couple weeks each year spraying trees and brush.
This has not been my experience. Are you treating the root collar too, because that is suggested with garlon. I cut stump garlon all the time for buckthorn and it's dead as dead. Much safer and less expensive than your method (not as fast though). It's important not to treat the stump in the spring when sap is flowing up. I cut the stump very low to the ground.
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Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
[Re: AJE]
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02/17/21 02:28 PM
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For harder killing woody species I have considerable better luck spraying the whole plant than cutting and treating the stump. Treating the stump doesn't take as much chemical into the roots and some stubborn species regrow about a hundred shoots from the roots then it take years of spraying the shoots to get the roots killed. Just food for thought. And we spent a couple weeks each year spraying trees and brush.
This has not been my experience. Are you treating the root collar too, because that is suggested with garlon. I cut stump garlon all the time for buckthorn and it's dead as dead. Much safer and less expensive than your method (not as fast though). It's important not to treat the stump in the spring when sap is flowing up. I cut the stump very low to the ground. Maybe different species
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Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
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02/17/21 03:55 PM
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Prickly Ash bark has more value pound for pound than a coon hide. There is always a market for it. Tell me where I can sell it. I'll be a millionaire! Saying it has more value pound for pound than a coon hide doesn't make it worth much.
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Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
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02/17/21 04:43 PM
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. Prickly Ash is much easier to kill than the buckthorn. Both are an unwanted invasive species. Prickly Ash is not an invasive specie. Its a native and atho you may not like its throns it does serve as host to 2 swallow tail butterflies. Op's bush is Barberry. Barberry and Honeysuckle are both Invasive non-natives. Killing is best done by cutting down and treating stump with glyphosate. I use an approx 25% glyphosate mix with water. You have to treat right after cutting. Honeysuckle is very sensitive to glyphosate. Don't spray the foliage, you'll get drift and kill everything else that it lands on. Always best to target unwanted plant only and use as little herbicide as possible while effectively killing only the unwanted plant.. Trouble with round up is the concentration levels are all over the place. Look at the ingredients, what's important is the percent of glyphosate in the mix. If its less than what you want, say 25%, its a waste of time and money. I buy Gordon's Big N' Tuf. Its a 41% glyphosate mix. Its much cheaper than Round-up.
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Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
[Re: Dirty D]
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02/18/21 11:45 AM
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. Prickly Ash is much easier to kill than the buckthorn. Both are an unwanted invasive species. Prickly Ash is not an invasive specie. Its a native and atho you may not like its throns it does serve as host to 2 swallow tail butterflies. Op's bush is Barberry. Barberry and Honeysuckle are both Invasive non-natives. Killing is best done by cutting down and treating stump with glyphosate. I use an approx 25% glyphosate mix with water. You have to treat right after cutting. Honeysuckle is very sensitive to glyphosate. Don't spray the foliage, you'll get drift and kill everything else that it lands on. Always best to target unwanted plant only and use as little herbicide as possible while effectively killing only the unwanted plant.. Trouble with round up is the concentration levels are all over the place. Look at the ingredients, what's important is the percent of glyphosate in the mix. If its less than what you want, say 25%, its a waste of time and money. I buy Gordon's Big N' Tuf. Its a 41% glyphosate mix. Its much cheaper than Round-up. Round Up won't kill buckthorn and isn't very effective on prickly ash unless you use the concentrate undiluted. To kill both of these plants, I use Crossbow concentrate on the stumps. The swallow tails will have to find another host in my woods.
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Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
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08/15/21 01:50 AM
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I've been trying to figure out what to use as a cut stump treatment for honeysuckle. I may have gotten my answer. I attended a forestry seminar yesterday & the DNR forester told me to use Milestone. I've never heard of that herbicide, but will look into it.
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Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
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08/16/21 03:23 PM
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The way I do it:
Either cut the bush off as close to the ground as you can, and treat the stump with a 50% mix of Roundup and water or Diesel fuel. Dump a bottle of cheap food dye in the water so you can see where you've treated already.
OR: Cut the brush off about 3-4 ft above ground to leave a handle, then use a Mattok to chop the roots around the stump and pull it up. I have found the root nearly always radiate out from the stump, and very rarely have a tap root, and I have never had one re grow.
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Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
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08/16/21 10:19 PM
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[quote=BigBob]The way I do it:
Either cut the bush off as close to the ground as you can, and treat the stump with a 50% mix of Roundup and water or Diesel fuel. Dump a bottle of cheap food dye in the water so you can see where you've treated already.
This method works! The Bush Honeysuckle is trying to take over Eastern Kansas. I used 25% Roundup and water and got a 100% kill
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Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
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08/16/21 10:55 PM
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I use a puller bear or I take a shovel full of dirt from the base of the bush and cut off below ground level with a sawzall and pruning blade. Doesn’t dull like a chainsaw. Done 1000’s this way. Mow over the area and they never come back. Dewalt 20v sawzall is awesome for this. No chemicals this way and cheap.
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Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
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08/16/21 11:24 PM
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20v sawzall is awesome for this. This is what I use for buckthorn, then I treat the stump w/ garlon (Dow Pathfinder II RTU). Garlon applied to a cut stump supposedly doesn't have the negative residual effect on nearby desirable trees like can happen with Tordon. I prefer cut stump over basal bark treatment...not as fast, but it takes less herbicide. I've been told this herbicide MIGHT work for honeysuckle
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Re: unwanted plant/bush removal
[Re: countrygun]
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08/17/21 03:44 PM
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Prickly Ash bark has more value pound for pound than a coon hide. There is always a market for it. Not quite. I sold some bark which has to be dried prior to selling. You have to pay the shipping which will cost about $18 per 10 pounds. They pay $6 per pound. That comes out to $60 minus $18 for a total profit of $42. Stripping the bark off prickly ash is a lot more work and harder on the back than bringing a coon hide to market.
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