Re: property-surveying-legal questions
[Re: BernieB.]
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I doubt the neighbor is going to go to court and spend thousands when he probably could move the existing shed with a come-a-long.
Don't think you're going to move a pole building or a concrete slab with a comealong. Attach it to the back of a D-6. Something will move. To get a building permit he's going to have to provide them with at minimum a plot plan. Instead of trying to get you to pay half he should accept responsibility.
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
[Re: walleye101]
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Bernie, Maybe he will let you pile a bunch of junk you seldom use in the corner of the building thats on your property. Then you will have re-established ownership and don't have to worry about adverse possession. This is a creative solution; I know where this exact thing happened with a large pole building. It worked good for years until one of the parties sold their property, then it became a big issue.
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
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Get a Building Permit to put up a Fence. When you go to the Building Inspector for the Permit, show him your Survey, and a picture of the neighbor's building and concrete on your property. Ask the Building Inspector if the Neighbor got a permit for that shed, and what the Building Inspector can do if that shed is on your property.
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
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Build a rough old fence about 10 feet on his side of the line-he will pay for a survey.
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
[Re: BernieB.]
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Squash,MN. does not have an adverse possession law. If a building or part of it is on your property--no matter how long,it is always your property . One of my neighbors put up one of those tarp type garages and part of it is on my land. He also built a shed that is not set back far enough from my line. I haven't forced the issue ,but made him aware of where his things really belonged. If things ever go down hill between us,I have the law on my side. Tom
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
[Re: BernieB.]
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04/28/21 01:18 AM
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^^^^^^^^ Not trying to be a smart @#$, but I think a little bit of Googling around and you will find that Minnesota does indeed have adverse possession law. I did learn it is 15 years of open and notorious use though; never heard of a State where it is that many years. OP should get some real legal advice though, don't take the word of us armchair experts as absolute truth.
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
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04/28/21 01:19 AM
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This is not legal advice, but, assuming you can trust the guy at his word, you might make a deal with him that you'll pay half of the survey, IF it shows the buildings are on his property. But if the buildings encroach on your property, he has to pay the whole cost of the survey.
Try to set it up so he has to honor the deal. Have him front the money for the survey, with the understanding you'll pay him the half if the buildings don't encroach.
As Warrior pointed out, you could possibly lose part of your property to adverse possession by the neighbor if you do nothing. See a lawyer for advice here. But I wouldn't' sit on my hands if I were you.
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
[Re: Bogmaster]
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Squash,MN. does not have an adverse possession law. If a building or part of it is on your property--no matter how long,it is always your property . One of my neighbors put up one of those tarp type garages and part of it is on my land. He also built a shed that is not set back far enough from my line. I haven't forced the issue ,but made him aware of where his things really belonged. If things ever go down hill between us,I have the law on my side. Tom If he is there by your permission, it's not adverse possession. Jim
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
[Re: BernieB.]
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04/28/21 01:40 AM
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Here is an illustration of what I was suggesting in an earlier post. I actually did a BLA just like this in Washington a few years ago. Most jurisdictions allow BLA's (boundary line adjustments) like this without going through a difficult platting process; exactly for situations like this. The diagram below will result a situation that exchanges the exact square footage of land between each owner as long as your axis point is in the middle of the property line. The red line represents the new property line. You can experiment around a bit and move the axis point to the east or west a bit, but it will result in one guy getting a little more land than the other guy. If the neighbor complains that you are getting more lake frontage and that is more valuable than road frontage you can point out to him that he's the one who created the problem by building on your land in the first place.
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
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James he never got my permission. Tom
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
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Survey the line in question. If the buildings encroach, cut out a triangle around each corner to allow for setbacks. The line does not have to be straight from the original corners.
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
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Phone calls are here-say in court ; get things in writing and notorized and get that survey done before the building.
I don't really see any scenario in which this would end up in court, life is too short for that.
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
[Re: Zim]
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I sure learned a lot about about how folks perceive legalities concerning boundary law from reading this thread. Please carry on.
Zim Very good advise for a practicing surveyor to give. lawyering up BernieB next time they do a land tax valuation. You are going to get his buildings on your tax bill.....are you ready for that. Last year with the pandemic and all the government money....there was a lot of " Honey DO List" and an very large up-takes of property surveys being done. numbers equalled the last 5 years worth.
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Re: property-surveying-legal questions
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For all those that said, just get metal detector and find the pins or irons, all that means is you found irons or pins in the ground, it doesn’t mean they are your property corner. That is why you hire a Professional Surveyor, it’s not just about wandering around with a metal detector and marking them. Many times those pins or irons are wrong, you have no idea whom set them. A surveyor worth his salt will not be just locating yours but those all around yours and making sure everything is correct.
It’s interesting to me the number of people that like to basically say screw their neighbor, sucks to be him. It’s like everyone these days want to fight, instead of trying to work together for a common resolution. People make mistakes and assume...and we all know what that does.
Bernie it looks like you are going about it in the right way.
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