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What was the Civil War Fought Over? #7257902
05/04/21 11:19 PM
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This is just a thread on everyone's opinion on why the civil war was fought. I just want to know what you think and see the perspectives on both sides. Because I know there are a bit of stars and bars fliers on here. And for your information, I have just finished a history class that I had to discuss this topic and I was wondering what I missed

I just need to get cozy and read the comments below.


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And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257908
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Some people wanted independence so lincoln crushed them all...


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257909
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Slavery and the economics surrounding it from my understanding I may be wrong though.


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257910
05/04/21 11:33 PM
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States rights.

Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257912
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States' rights to enslave black people, now coded generally as "states' rights."

Read the statements of the state legislatures of the southern states and newspapers, if you have any doubt the war was fought over slavery.

Jim


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257925
05/04/21 11:56 PM
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$$$ as in all wars. Just in this one it was the industrial high tariff north imposing it's will upon the cheap labor low tariff south.

Yes, cheap labor was slavery and I won't defend slavery anymore than we should defend cheap labor illegal immigration today. Ultimately cheap labor as in permanent lower class destroys whatever society it occurs in.

But the root cause was $$$. Nobody goes to war to free anybody. Otherwise we would be at war with China today. Hitler and Hirohito had how many years of free reign before we got involved and we actually allied ourselves with Stalin.

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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257936
05/05/21 12:28 AM
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Taxes!!!! The North can claim slavery all it wants!


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257940
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States rights. As in the right of the states to decide whether they wanted to be part of the United States or not.

To expand on that even farther, the seceding states did not like the Federal government telling them what they could and could not do (and yes slavery was a part of this, not the whole and only reason as so many believe today, but a larger part than some on the other side claim it was). The seceding states believed they had the right to remove themselves from the United States if they didn't agree and want to be subject to the policies coming from the Federal government. The Union states believed that the Federal government should be the overseer and be able to tell/force the individual states what they could and couldn't do. If you read the Confederated States of America's founding documents and Constitution you will find that it limited the Federal government of their new country's power more explicitly and more severely than the United States. They did not want a powerful central government at all.

When Lincoln was elected the war was pretty much guaranteed. I totally understand why the states that didn't even have him on their ballot (almost all of the seceding states) were rather upset that he was elected President.

Personally I believe states should have the right to secede from the country if they choose to, but we've already fought a war over that and lost, so it is a moot point.

Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257942
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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: warrior] #7257943
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Originally Posted by warrior
$$$ as in all wars. Just in this one it was the industrial high tariff north imposing it's will upon the cheap labor low tariff south.

Yes, cheap labor was slavery and I won't defend slavery anymore than we should defend cheap labor illegal immigration today. Ultimately cheap labor as in permanent lower class destroys whatever society it occurs in.

But the root cause was $$$. Nobody goes to war to free anybody. Otherwise we would be at war with China today. Hitler and Hirohito had how many years of free reign before we got involved and we actually allied ourselves with Stalin.

Have to agree with ya. city people like cheap food --- that either comes from out of country or illegal labor. Life has become too easy in the U.S.

Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257944
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The northern states economies tied mainly to industry, the South to agriculture. South couldn't see how they could thrive without slave labor and ultimately decided they would be better off splitting from the North to keep stats quo. In those days I think most Americans felt a higher loyalty to their home state than the Union itself. So when your state seceded you did your duty as a patriot and volunteered for duty.

Most of men who fought for the confederacy were not slave holders, but fought for their belief in their state's right to decide for itself to be part of the Union or not. States' rights.


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257945
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Washington was laying pipe to the Southern states with high cotton taxes (tariffs). The South was becoming too rich too fast. There were more Millionaires in Mississippi than any other state. Money is/was power. Slavery would have been eventually ended (and was an ugly institution). Several Northern states would not even allow the blacks in them. But, in the end the North got to write history.

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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7257947
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
The northern states economies tied mainly to industry, the South to agriculture. South couldn't see how they could thrive without slave labor and ultimately decided they would be better off splitting from the North to keep stats quo. In those days I think most Americans felt a higher loyalty to their home state than the Union itself. So when your state seceded you did your duty as a patriot and volunteered for duty.

Very true! That's the reason R. E. Lee went with the south over the north.


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257948
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Same thing every time this subject is brought up ,been so many times over the years. Just a few new players as some have died and its brought up by one of the new guys,that hasn't gone through it before.
Now we have-masks,vaccine and the civil war to fight over.
Use your heads guys,be civil.
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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: bearcat2] #7257951
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Originally Posted by bearcat2
States rights. As in the right of the states to decide whether they wanted to be part of the United States or not.

Personally I believe states should have the right to secede from the country if they choose to, but we've already fought a war over that and lost, so it is a moot point.


Absolutely, I'd be more than glad to be shed of the blue states today. We need a peaceful separation or it will be war again and this go around will be even uglier.

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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257955
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Who knows. I don’t think they even knew back then.

Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257957
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States rights and the all mighty Dollar with plenty of greed mixed in.


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257959
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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PVT Davis] #7257975
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Yep, money. Very few white people in the 1860's thought black people were even Americans, let alone their equal. Slaves in union states were not emancipated till three years after the war was fought. Former slaves were still not equal under the law after the war. The threat of slaves providing manufacturing labor was no longer a threat to the factory owners of "free" states though. Lincoln got his dream. A central government with real authority rather than a collection of independent states sworn to mutual defense.

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