Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
[Re: Cannon Ball]
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05/30/21 08:35 AM
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It'll all work out, you guys arent factoring in the depopulation and the fact that peasants dont need cars anyway
WHO MADE THIS MESS ALL OVER MY FLOOR THE MUDTRACKER WAS HERE HE HE HE
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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05/30/21 08:42 AM
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Buckmink have you ever been to IA? LLL I'm in ohio. Now using others like soybeans would work, gotta rotate crops like everyone knows. They can make biofuels out of anything that decomposes. Even grass clippings. The cost is the issue not the technology to do so. Even coon fat could be made into fuel. I have plenty of that available too. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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I am reminded of George Orwells book 1984, where he invents the words Newspeak and Doublethink. Its no surprise different places have tried banning it.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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danny clifton
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According to researchers, one acre of switchgrass plantation can produce up to 15 tons of biomass or 4,350 liters of ethanol daily.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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05/30/21 09:00 AM
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Thinking outside the box is not designed to diminish the range of thought (Newspeak) nor is it the acceptance of or mental capacity to accept contrary opinions or beliefs (doublethink). Thinking outside the box allows one to free himself from both by having a plan for when all other things fail. Those who cannot will get caught up in the havoc of 1984. I was forced to read the book in high school when they still encouraged self thought or freedom of thought. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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05/30/21 09:06 AM
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The term "newspeak" was coined by George Orwell in his 1949 anti-utopian novel 1984. In Orwell's fictional totalitarian state, Newspeak was a language favored by the minions of Big Brother and, in Orwell's words, "designed to diminish the range of thought." Newspeak was characterized by the elimination or alteration of certain words, the substitution of one word for another, the interchangeability of parts of speech, and the creation of words for political purposes. The word has caught on in general use to refer to confusing or deceptive bureaucratic jargon.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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05/30/21 09:12 AM
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The term "newspeak" was coined by George Orwell in his 1949 anti-utopian novel 1984. In Orwell's fictional totalitarian state, Newspeak was a language favored by the minions of Big Brother and, in Orwell's words, "designed to diminish the range of thought." Newspeak was characterized by the elimination or alteration of certain words, the substitution of one word for another, the interchangeability of parts of speech, and the creation of words for political purposes. The word has caught on in general use to refer to confusing or deceptive bureaucratic jargon.
Are you trying to be the next BuckNE? Google king? I have read the book. Have you? I know what it is and what it is about. What does it have to do with this post really? Someone asked the question of how would you power an internal combustion engine without fossil fuel. I answered and somehow you are reminded of 1984? Wow. Laughing out loud. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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Look. I know you want to promote all the farming your family is involved in. So your promoting the PROPOGANDA (you like that word better) that biofuel can replace fossil fuel. Just like solar and wind, its a pipe dream. You, I am sure, are well aware of that. You can be rude, call names, suggest I haven't read the book I am referring too. It doesn't change the fact you are claiming biofuel from corn and soybeans is a good idea. It is not. No matter how much farming your family is involved in. It won't pencil. Just like the statement from your website claiming one acre of switch grass can produce a 1000 gallons of ethanol daily. It is all dreams and feel good PROPAGANDA
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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At best, the energy from a gallon of corn and milo (every ethanol plant I hauled grain too is also using milo) based ethanol is break even over the energy required to produce it. At best. Biodiesel from soybeans is a loss.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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Which brings us back to electric vehicles. We can cover the whole continent in windmills. And all our desert land in solar panels. Wont matter. We will still need coal or natural gas or uranium just to produce all the electricity we are already using. I have no problem with energy research but the technology we have today is not going to run electric cars or bio fuel cars without fossil fuels and or nuclear.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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05/30/21 10:55 AM
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Which brings us back to electric vehicles. We can cover the whole continent in windmills. And all our desert land in solar panels. Wont matter. We will still need coal or natural gas or uranium just to produce all the electricity we are already using. I have no problem with energy research but the technology we have today is not going to run electric cars or bio fuel cars without fossil fuels and or nuclear. My family does not farm. If we do not have fossil fuels available I assure you biofuel is a better alternative to batteries which are made by our enemies. Where did I say it was a good idea to only use biofuels? I am for fracking, NP, clean coal and anything we have. To suggest electric cars without anything to charge them with is insane. Using whatever we have is not propaganda. Just how you see it I guess. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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Which brings us back to electric vehicles. We can cover the whole continent in windmills. And all our desert land in solar panels. Wont matter. We will still need coal or natural gas or uranium just to produce all the electricity we are already using. I have no problem with energy research but the technology we have today is not going to run electric cars or bio fuel cars without fossil fuels and or nuclear. Bingo.
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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Don't make any plans Trump will undo bidens mess in 2024 I hope your are right, but I think Congress is going to make it so Trump can not hold any Federal Office. We will see. Paul DeSantis is someone I could get behind Unlike a lot I am not a Trump fan, I voted for him twice yes, but that doesn’t mean I failed to see his failings and mistakes, nor that I liked him more then when I was working for him He personally is why I quit a very good job, we just rubbed each other the wrong way That said I would still vote for him again
�Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.� ― Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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Roughly estimated, we would need an additional 1100 TWh of electricity to power the nation's cars if we all converted to electric cars... That doesn't include any diesel vehicles at all. And that's assuming EV's are 4x more efficient than gasoline engines
1100 Terawatt hours... That's over a billion megawatt hours.
Have fun with that.
Mike
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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Just a thought. I do not know the answer. Let's assume that for every 500,000 electric cars, we need one large natural gas power plant. Is that power plant worse for our environment than the 500,000 gasoline cars it replaces?
There is a very significant infrastructure and maintenance expense to get electricity to the 500,000 EV cars.
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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Depending on who you ask... One gallon of gasoline is equivalent to 9-13 kilowatt hours... So my little 4 cyl Jeep with its 13 gal. tank uses roughly 117 to 169 kwh of electricity when I burn through a tank... So let's average a tank of gas at 143 kwh. I drive a ways to work and fill up every other day... So roughly 70 kwh daily.
So a 500 MW station at peak capacity could run the equivalent of 7142 of my little Jeeps daily. This is rough math only based on estimates I located online... And of course excludes household electrical use. This would be a power plant running solely to charge EV's
Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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Magical thinking indeed. Based on my amateur rough estimates you would need 500 MW of generation to accommodate every 7500 vehicles. Let's say EV's are 4x more efficient... That's still one power plant for every 30,000 cars. Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
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Re: Purhasing and Storing Gasoline Vehicles
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With two of the three major motor companies saying they will stop making gasoline powered vehicles by 2035 ( only 14 years away ) it has got me to thinking about buying and storing pickup trucks and maybe even a few cars.
Has anyone given this any thought to doing the same ? Do you think it will actually happen ? This will be interesting as Russia's government relies on 40% of it's total revenue from energy exports, specifically oil and LNG. With approx. 80% of it's total exports comprising Oil and LNG. They may somehow object to electric cars at some point.
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