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Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: badger] #7283105
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The thing is most people on hear have no idea about the pipeline or it's use . All you have to do is read their comments. The oil was of the poorest quality and it was to be shipped to the usa then exported. There was very little in this for the US and all for Canada and big corporations.

Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: Slick Pan] #7283112
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Originally Posted by Slick Pan
The thing is most people on hear have no idea about the pipeline or it's use . All you have to do is read their comments. The oil was of the poorest quality and it was to be shipped to the usa then exported. There was very little in this for the US and all for Canada and big corporations.


If you don't consider the taxes after its done that rural counties get a benefit, and the boom while its being built a benefit I guess your statement could be correct.

Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: badger] #7283120
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Wytex, please explain the mechanism by which a pipeline 10 feet below ground level can cause damage to an aquifer buried beneath hundreds of feet of sediments.

Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: Slick Pan] #7283122
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Originally Posted by Slick Pan
The thing is most people on hear have no idea about the pipeline or it's use . All you have to do is read their comments. The oil was of the poorest quality and it was to be shipped to the usa then exported. There was very little in this for the US and all for Canada and big corporations.

Not completely accurate.
It would help keep oil prices down if it was exported. It added more oil to the market overall forcing the oil cartels to keep the price for a barrel of oil down. That's why prices at the pump are starting to increase and will continue to do so.

The main stream media won't admit that this is the reason gas prices are rising. Instead, they use lame excuses like lower employment practices due to the pandemic and the pipeline ransomware episode. They do their best to cover for Biden.


If gun control really works, why isn't Chicago the safest place in America??
Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: badger] #7283123
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Here ya go Slickpan, I bet these sparsely populated counties think it a benefit.

https://taxfoundation.org/taxplainer-state-and-local-tax-impact-keystone-pipeline

Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: badger] #7283132
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Oil is fungible. Crude oil produced and made available anywhere benefits consumers everywhere. Basic economics need to be taught to everyone. Some people on this thread make about as much sense as pipeline protesters showing up in automobiles, wearing clothing made from synthetic fibers and hanging out in nylon tents.

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Like he said....all ya have to do is read their posts. smile

Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: Kansas Cat] #7283148
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Originally Posted by Kansas Cat
Oil is fungible. Crude oil produced and made available anywhere benefits consumers everywhere. Basic economics need to be taught to everyone. Some people on this thread make about as much sense as pipeline protesters showing up in automobiles, wearing clothing made from synthetic fibers and hanging out in nylon tents.

Oil economics is like fur economics. When there was a shortage of fur, the prices were really hot. But, when there was a glut of fur on the market, prices were in the toilet.


If gun control really works, why isn't Chicago the safest place in America??
Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: badger] #7283161
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Canada should figure out how to export their own oil thru their own country. Look what they do to their lumber by adding subsidies to benefit them selves when exporting it to the US. They can keep their socialist country and border closed forever as far as I am concerned.

Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: badger] #7283173
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You are probably right. It makes a lot more sense to build a pipeline through the Canadian Rockies to the west coast of Canada and construct an export terminal than it does to bring a pipeline to the central plains and connect to an area that has a plethora of existing pipelines and existing export infrastructure in Houston. What was I thinking?

Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: Slick Pan] #7283198
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Originally Posted by Slick Pan
Canada should figure out how to export their own oil thru their own country. Look what they do to their lumber by adding subsidies to benefit them selves when exporting it to the US. They can keep their socialist country and border closed forever as far as I am concerned.


Pretty hard for us (USA) to refine or sell if it doesn't go to the Gulf.

Yep, we'd profit from that also.

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Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: Kansas Cat] #7283218
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Originally Posted by Kansas Cat
Wytex, please explain the mechanism by which a pipeline 10 feet below ground level can cause damage to an aquifer buried beneath hundreds of feet of sediments.


I defend pollution cases. You are generally right. Shallow groundwater and soil can definitely be impacted by a release but it would be unusual for the aquifer to be impacted.


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Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: Blaine County] #7283258
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
I defend pollution cases. You are generally right. Shallow groundwater and soil can definitely be impacted by a release but it would be unusual for the aquifer to be impacted.

I worked for a small oil company just before I moved to northern Maine. The owners had an autistic son who rode shotgun with me just to occupy his time. Over time, I began to let him do more and more hands on maintenance.

We were doing a routine tune-up on a heating system and needed to bleed the oil line to fire the system for a combustion test. Turns out the tank was out of oil. Couldn't bleed it. I gathered up my tools but couldn't find my 3/8ths wrench. We left without it. I relayed the empty tank info to the homeowner who then called for an oil delivery. A couple of days later the office got a call from them saying they had a strong oil odor coming from their basement. The 3/8ths wrench I couldn't locate was on the bleeder nipple in the open position where my young companion had left it.

I called the office and told them to alert the DEP. As luck would have it, it was a dirt floor 50 gallons of heating oil had seeped into. Thousands and thousands of dollars in remediation for a fifty gallon spill. It was my fault for placing too much faith in the young fellow.

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Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: badger] #7283292
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Joe a idiot, also half of this country is.

Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: badger] #7283310
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The Ogallala aquifer under a big part of NE is less than 30 feet under ground


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Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: Slick Pan] #7283335
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Originally Posted by wytex
I guess none of you live where it was going to cross? Right across one of the biggest aquifer in American for Canadian tar sands, no thank you.
I know many folks who were against it, in Nebraska.


Line 3 is a half mile behind my house. I say build more.


Originally Posted by Slick Pan
The thing is most people on hear have no idea about the pipeline or it's use . All you have to do is read their comments. The oil was of the poorest quality and it was to be shipped to the usa then exported. There was very little in this for the US and all for Canada and big corporations.


I think there are many people on this forum who have a very good idea about pipelines, their uses, where the oil comes from, where it goes, the amount of jobs it creates short term and long term, the amount of taxes those pipelines pay and who is profiting from the being built or not built.

If the Canadian lumber market is truly subsidized I wouldn't say it's any more than the US grain markets.

Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: Blaine County] #7283338
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Kansas Cat
Wytex, please explain the mechanism by which a pipeline 10 feet below ground level can cause damage to an aquifer buried beneath hundreds of feet of sediments.


I defend pollution cases. You are generally right. Shallow groundwater and soil can definitely be impacted by a release but it would be unusual for the aquifer to be impacted.


I do environmental remediation for a living. BC is correct in that the aquifer itself is in little danger of being impacted by a pipeline spill. Ag chemicals are a bigger threat.

Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: Slick Pan] #7283360
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Originally Posted by Slick Pan
Canada should figure out how to export their own oil thru their own country. Look what they do to their lumber by adding subsidies to benefit them selves when exporting it to the US. They can keep their socialist country and border closed forever as far as I am concerned.

Slick, even world trade decided Canada doesnít subsidize lumber. We just actually cut from public land making it much cheaper for lumber companies to harvest. Itís a perk to having a sea of forest that is publicly owned. Because the US calls it a subsidy doesnít make it one, itís a perk of having a sea of forest.

But yes , Canada needs to find a way to move itís oil through its own country. Unfortunately, for you, thatíd hurt, for us, itíd help. It needs done.

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Re: Keystone Pipline [Re: Slick Pan] #7283455
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Originally Posted by Slick Pan
Canada should figure out how to export their own oil thru their own country. Look what they do to their lumber by adding subsidies to benefit them selves when exporting it to the US. They can keep their socialist country and border closed forever as far as I am concerned.


So Trump was an ejit for approving keystone-got ya.

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