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Glycol
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06/10/21 07:08 PM
06/10/21 07:08 PM
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Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 405 Michigan
BullOx
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trapper
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OP
trapper
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 405
Michigan
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How much glycol do you add to meat baits? I seem to have forgotten
Trapping is easy you say? You try getting your target animal to step in a 3 inch area of its whole territory.
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Re: Glycol
[Re: BullOx]
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06/15/21 06:08 AM
06/15/21 06:08 AM
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Posts: 29,888 williamsburg ks
danny clifton
"Grumpy Old Man"
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"Grumpy Old Man"
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williamsburg ks
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Glycerin makes stuff easier to get out of the jar when its cold. An antifreeze. Yes Sir I'm not disputing your post. But when no choice is offered the anti freezed bait works fine. No matter what you do some animals wont be interested. It happens. When I read an ad that says no animal will walk by I dont buy the stuff. Putting together an attractant without antifreeze is just not practical all the time.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Glycol
[Re: BullOx]
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06/15/21 07:42 AM
06/15/21 07:42 AM
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Posts: 10,155 Marion Kansas
Yes sir
"Callie's little brother"
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Marion Kansas
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I understand your point Danny. Just throwing the information out for thought. Will add that a lot of additives already used will lower the freeze point of a formulation to the point useable in a lot of formulations. I dont run as big of trap line as some but have never added glycerin to anything I make and never had any freeze up so far. Even left a couple formulations settings outside on the roof one night when it got single digits to see if they would freeze but they were still in good shape next morning. Now with that said I believe with enough time at single digits I believe they probably would get too thick to be useable but over night they did fine. Usually baits and lure are kept in a tote in bed of pickup, box on UTV or unheated building over night so they have. some protection from temperature drop. A lot of the tinctures and oils lower the freezing point evidently enough for the weather around me.I think even the sodium based preservatives lower the freezing point.Again just sharing a little information the coyotes passed on to me. Have sent formulations to others in regions colder than here for testing and haven't heard of freezing being an issue. And I'm not sure if the freezer test is the best way to determine if you have enough antifreeze in your formulation because all my commercial made lure and baits will freeze solid in my freezer and some of the makers live and trap in places that see some very cold temps (I assume the stuff I bought from them is exactly like what they use themselves). Again not trying to say what is right or wrong just sharing my thoughts and experiences. Take it for what it's worth.
Last edited by Yes sir; 06/15/21 08:15 AM.
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Re: Glycol
[Re: Yes sir]
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06/15/21 08:08 AM
06/15/21 08:08 AM
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Paul Dobbins
"Trapperman custodian"
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I was curious to know if SB and glycerin could be smelled by coyotes and if it had any affects on the attractiveness of a bait or lure. So I took ground deer and added a little sb to some and a little glycerin to some and went out and put in 10 or 12 test set of each with the plain meat in another hole about a foot and a half away. In my little experiment it was very consistent that the coyotes preferred the meat without glycerin. That's just my 2 cents and maybe I'm missing something but that's what my neighborhood coyotes told me. Was that animal based glycerine, or plant based?
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Re: Glycol
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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06/15/21 08:21 AM
06/15/21 08:21 AM
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Posts: 10,155 Marion Kansas
Yes sir
"Callie's little brother"
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"Callie's little brother"
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Marion Kansas
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I was curious to know if SB and glycerin could be smelled by coyotes and if it had any affects on the attractiveness of a bait or lure. So I took ground deer and added a little sb to some and a little glycerin to some and went out and put in 10 or 12 test set of each with the plain meat in another hole about a foot and a half away. In my little experiment it was very consistent that the coyotes preferred the meat without glycerin. That's just my 2 cents and maybe I'm missing something but that's what my neighborhood coyotes told me. Was that animal based glycerine, or plant based? I have to admit I didn't realize there was a difference when I tested and since learned there is two different products. And have questioned if there's a difference in animal response. I'm not sure what I have but will say I bought it from someone that is a commercial lure maker with decades in the business and is well respected amongsthis peers.
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Re: Glycol
[Re: BullOx]
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06/15/21 07:37 PM
06/15/21 07:37 PM
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Posts: 10,155 Marion Kansas
Yes sir
"Callie's little brother"
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"Callie's little brother"
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Marion Kansas
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Points all understood. As stated it was just food for thought. I will say the best formulation I have tested had glycerin in it. And considering probably 90% or more of the commercial formulations probably have glycerin, glycol or mineral oil in them I feel I've probably tested some other formulations with it in them that I thought were above par. Now take the formula that's tested best for me, if it didn't have glycerin in it would it be even better?? The answer is I don't and nobody else probably knows because they have never tested it. My simple test indicates it might have a slight bit more attraction. Are we talking adding one more coyote out of a hundred caught? Probably not big enough difference for anyone to notice or care. Maybe 1 more out of 20 caught?? I kind of doubt it would be that big of an improvement but if it were a guy catching 500 coyotes probably would appreciate the difference but the guy catching 30 would never notice nor care. I tested because I figured few if any had and I've seen other theories (that didn't seem to pan out for me) that get passed around until they pretty much become fact. I shared because that's what the coyotes told me and thought some would appreciate the information and possibly benefit a little bit from it. I'm just one that likes answers more than theories so I test. And have learned a lot by doing so. With all that said I don't use it in anything other than adding a small amount to some things that I tincture in everclear to slow evaporation and haven't had anything freeze up on me.
Last edited by Yes sir; 06/15/21 08:05 PM.
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