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Urine quality #7350393
09/08/21 10:26 AM
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Iím not trying to restart the Cold War with this question. Iím a small time trapper and wish to purchase REAL urine. Never have tried urine. Trapping coyotes and bobcats. Suggestions?
Thanks in advance

Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350400
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There are a couple guys in Indiana that have top quality urine. One ships and one does not. Will PM you contact info.

Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350401
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Thanks

Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350404
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When in AZ/NM when it came to cats, I used strictly OG, He keeps large cats on property which produce alot of urine. Lets face it a lion produces alot more urine that any bob and out west lion toilets and bob toilets were side by side. i prefer dog urine over coyote urine in the east, As far as red fox goes I know a couple trapper/dealers close by in PA that produce excellent red fox urine. Think about the volume of glands and urine that a large producer has to access to meet his market requirements. Big producers cannot get by on a few caged animals. Try visiting a few lure makers and look at their operations and you might rethink ur process.

Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350422
09/08/21 11:21 AM
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Winter Wildlife Control's is about the best I've ever used. Can't ask for much better quality!
www.winterwildlifecontrolbaitandlure.com

I've had good success with Southern Snare's urine too.

Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350431
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I'd suggest Johnny that I am sure trapperdan sent you the contact info since he ships and he got pens from the other guy. The other vet guy has some excellent urine if you can find someone that's close by. I bought a bucket of pen "droppings" from him last season. It's quite the interesting bucket. I'd really like to try it out this year but I am not sure I will have the time.


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Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350435
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I to would like that contact info if possible?

Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350460
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Or.....pen one up an gather your own. It's alot more work than most folks realize. It will sure make you understand why quality urine is so expensive. No substitute for quality meat fed properly stored urine

Re: Urine quality [Re: Flint Hill fur] #7350483
09/08/21 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Flint Hill fur
Or.....pen one up an gather your own. It's alot more work than most folks realize. It will sure make you understand why quality urine is so expensive. No substitute for quality meat fed properly stored urine

If I could in the good ol Nebraska I think I'd give it a go. Definitely on a bobcat. That's the unicorn anymore finding quality bobcat urine.


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Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350484
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John Graham has good stuff


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Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350501
09/08/21 01:57 PM
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I think my neighbors might frown on me keeping live coyotes in town.

Re: Urine quality [Re: the Blak Spot] #7350502
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Originally Posted by the Blak Spot
John Graham has good stuff

Yep


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Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350564
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I think a guy could name his price on quality bobcat urine. Noone in the urine game collecting from cats anymore. Wade-just use a corner in your fur shed for your pen. Keep it hush hush an in 2 months you would have enough urine for a yr or 3.

Re: Urine quality [Re: Flint Hill fur] #7350570
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Originally Posted by Flint Hill fur
I think a guy could name his price on quality bobcat urine. Noone in the urine game collecting from cats anymore. Wade-just use a corner in your fur shed for your pen. Keep it hush hush an in 2 months you would have enough urine for a yr or 3.


For sure, I have got some from John Graham sitting in my shed. He was one of the last guys to get it from the bobcat fur farm and has said himself once his supply is gone it's gone. I saved the bladder (mostly full) from the 14 cats I caught last season which should get me through any cat trapping I want to do in the near future. I have all the glands melting down, almost been a year. They smell amazing. I definitely cannot skin a bobcat anymore without checking that bladder, it's liquid gold in these times.

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Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350628
09/08/21 05:49 PM
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A ) Some really good advice on the subject and a subject that, after collecting for many years, I know a little about.

Let's face it, there's a lot of junk urine out there for sale, far more than there is good !
Back in the hay-day of the fur boom, every dealer sold urine and some went as far using water, ammonia and coloring , stain or dye and actually 'make urine', well, what appeared to be, and some even selling human urine with a made up label.. . .every crooked trick in the book. Oh, it was a circus to the novice trapper, to be sure.
I remember a dealer selling 'mouse urine' : $10.00 for 2 ounces
Out in the east, most dealers are buying from 'Game farms'. Mark Gutman comes to mind, here in my state of Ohio.
A lot of it is NOT screened or preserved properly and it has a tendency to turn rancid with bacteria after some time.
Ammonia build up is also all too common. I see hair and feces particles floating in some that I've gotten.

The number one scent sold in America today , after all is : URINE !
Trappers , Deer hunters, they all use it.
But how necessary is it to take game ? Well, not as much as they would have you to believe !

ON BOBCAT, studies have shown that 'cats are more interested in coyote urine than they are of their own kind, unless it's breeding season and then that changes, for obvious reasons.
Many years ago an east coast dealer kept a garage full of domestic house cats and collected urine from them.
Meat fed, it was marketed as simply : Wild Cat Urine. It sold, it caught 'cats.
Ever smell house cat pi$$ ? You know why then. . .and I wouldn't be afraid to use that trick today !

O'Gorman's, have been known to keep 'big cats' , someone said and seems to me that's about right.
I once bought LYNX urine from Dana. Worked well for me, but I bought it mostly for 'gland formulation.
Cougar urine attracts all kinds of animals , including bobcats and coyotes, which hate them.
I've used cougar and even jaguar droppings ( from a local animal sanctuary) on coyotes, which also worked quite well... ( but, I digress )

As far as the (best suggestion) someone gave, if you can get away with it, do it. Controlling your own product is the best way to go about it.
While I do not advocate 'breaking the law', something can be said for keeping your mouth shut and a low profile.
The Safe Guard Dog Cage Trap, makes a nice size cage for collecting urine on a single coyote, a pair of 'cats or foxes.
A screen door beneath, fits real nice and some heavy gauge clear plastic sloped beneath, will put you on your way to collecting urine.
The screen , I personally like two, double stacked ) will catch ( at least most of the ) hair, bone, meat and droppings that may otherwise fall through the cage wire.
A skinned, gutted and semi frozen carcass or chunk of raw meat, will make your life a 'whole lot easier' and the clean up will be far will take a fraction of the time.
Remove urine daily and if hot weather is present, twice if needed.
Also I remove all droppings and dry them on a separate screen. I use them to my advantage on the trap line and they can be re-hydrated using common rain water, (not tap).
If cold weather, a couple days wouldn't be out of the question.
Yet, keep that urine as clean as humanly possible. I strain mine through two layers of 'cheese cloth' and I do this twice.
Every time, every day !
Every few days, I spray off the screens and plastic ( and at one time used glass to collect off of), once air dry, I put back in place.
I have well water, which I place in a can, outside the pen, with the opening just large enough for the muzzle to lap up a drink from. ( Cats curl forward, canines backward )

For my money, my urine goes in a clean plastic pail in the deep freeze.
It's hard to go wrong if you go that route. Not everybody will.
Good clean urine is in high demand.
$25 to $40 and even higher on exotics is not unheard of.
Currently, I'm collecting ferret urine to use on mink. I'm sure it will grab the attention of a passing canine as well

Regardless if you collect of buy, do your homework before purchasing and it will pay big dividends i the long run. . .

LT G

Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7350780
09/08/21 08:41 PM
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Very good info LT!!!

Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7394017
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Who do you feel selling Good Grey fox urine today ?

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Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7395689
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anyone have an opinion of lesel rauesatts urine. i know they have over 400 caged critters. fox bobcat and coyote. he was willing to explain how they collect and store the urine had a video of caged animals also tests rub lures on the bobcats and that was really neat to watch there reactions to the lure. im gonna try his coyote urine this year. actually looks and smells like no other urine i have ever used.

curious to hear others opinions if they have used or heard anything about it.

Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7395704
11/03/21 10:36 AM
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Usually I've had good luck on grey fox urine from Schmitt & WCS. Not sure who they get it from though.

Being it's about urine. Has anyone tried the flaked urine?


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Re: Urine quality [Re: 080808] #7396185
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Lesel's urine is top notch.

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