Climate Change Lies
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I heard a news clip where the greenies and the leader of the free world stated that hurricanes today are more numerous and more deadly than ever in the past because of climate change caused by man. These people as well as the ones trying to rewrite history are certified nuts. Well just for the record: On Sept. 8, 1900, a massive hurricane destroyed nearly a third of the city of Galveston, Texas; approximately 7,000 people died in the storm. On September 14th, 1919 only after a day’s warning, a category 3 storm thrashed South Texas, with heavy rains and high storm surge. Tides washed away nearly 23 blocks of homes in Corpus Christi, Texas. In the aftermath, 284 bodies were pulled from the city.
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Re: Climate Change Lies
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https://www.investors.com/politics/...admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/from the article: "If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures -- they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state. Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer: "One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015."
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Re: Climate Change Lies
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While I don't buy into all the climate change political motivations. The truth seems to be the climate is changing. I don't pretend to know why but I am sure the extra taxes and most regulations will have no effect. That being said the death toll from storms over 100 years ago is not a good matrix for determining strength of the storms. Now I have not researched those storms or this last one and I am just pointing out the ill advised method the OP used to argue against any climate change.
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Re: Climate Change Lies
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Not a very fair comparison to the Galveston Hurricane. Keep in mind there was no TV, no Radio, almost no phone systems to warn people and that detection equipment like satellites, airplanes, and radar hadn't been invented yet. A perfect Cat. 5 storm blew up on them with no warning.
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Both sides (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) science and disregard common sense in support of their political agendas.
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Re: Climate Change Lies
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Not a very fair comparison to the Galveston Hurricane. Keep in mind there was no TV, no Radio, almost no phone systems to warn people and that detection equipment like satellites, airplanes, and radar hadn't been invented yet. A perfect Cat. 5 storm blew up on them with no warning. It’s also not fair to compare today to then because all the storms we can see because of satellites and radar that they had no idea were far out at in the Atlantic. It goes both ways. The 30’s were far worse than anything we have seen since as far as hurricanes go
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Re: Climate Change Lies
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Climate near as I can tell has been changing as far back as we can look with fossils
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Re: Climate Change Lies
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Hurricanes today have become more numerous and more severe, not to say that there were never severe or numerous hurricanes in the past. You can take this information to the bank. I lived on an NC barrier island for 15 years and before that served in the Coast Guard on the Outer Banks for 27 years. Sea Level is getting higher, the land is moving and eroding, forests are being killed by saltwater, homes and highways are being washed away, and inlets are filling and moving. Building codes are far more strenuous than ever before, yet storms continue to destroy property. These changes have not been subtle, but the changes are accelerating dramatically. Severe storms are occurring every year now instead of once per decade as in my childhood. I will be 75 next month so I've seen a few hurricanes in NC. I expect the same conditions have been experienced along the Texas Gulf Coast.
I wish it wasn't so.
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While I don't buy into all the climate change political motivations. The truth seems to be the climate is changing. I don't pretend to know why but I am sure the extra taxes and most regulations will have no effect. That being said the death toll from storms over 100 years ago is not a good matrix for determining strength of the storms. Now I have not researched those storms or this last one and I am just pointing out the ill advised method the OP used to argue against any climate change. It's called weather, been happening for thousands of years.
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Re: Climate Change Lies
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While I don't buy into all the climate change political motivations. The truth seems to be the climate is changing. I don't pretend to know why but I am sure the extra taxes and most regulations will have no effect. That being said the death toll from storms over 100 years ago is not a good matrix for determining strength of the storms. Now I have not researched those storms or this last one and I am just pointing out the ill advised method the OP used to argue against any climate change. Please read what I posted. I never said the climate is not changing. The climate has been changing since the beginning of time and as long as records have been kept. I do not buy in to the theory that storms are more numerous or more intense because of man.
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Re: Climate Change Lies
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Hurricanes today have become more numerous and more severe...I wish it wasn't so. it isn't... "Existing records of past Atlantic tropical storm or hurricane numbers (1878 to present) in fact do show a pronounced upward trend, which is also correlated with rising SSTs (e.g., see blue curve in Fig. 4 or Vecchi and Knutson 2008). However, the density of reporting ship traffic over the Atlantic was relatively sparse during the early decades of this record, such that if storms from the modern era (post 1965) had hypothetically occurred during those earlier decades, a substantial number of storms would likely not have been directly observed by the ship-based “observing network of opportunity.” We find that, after adjusting for such an estimated number of missing storms, there remains just a small nominally positive upward trend in tropical storm occurrence from 1878-2006. Statistical tests indicate that t his trend is not significantly distinguishable from zero (Figure 2)." https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
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Re: Climate Change Lies
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Hurricanes today have become more numerous and more severe, not to say that there were never severe or numerous hurricanes in the past. You can take this information to the bank. I lived on an NC barrier island for 15 years and before that served in the Coast Guard on the Outer Banks for 27 years. Sea Level is getting higher, the land is moving and eroding, forests are being killed by saltwater, homes and highways are being washed away, and inlets are filling and moving. Building codes are far more strenuous than ever before, yet storms continue to destroy property. These changes have not been subtle, but the changes are accelerating dramatically. Severe storms are occurring every year now instead of once per decade as in my childhood. I will be 75 next month so I've seen a few hurricanes in NC. I expect the same conditions have been experienced along the Texas Gulf Coast.
I wish it wasn't so. Well I have a few years on you so I don't buy into your theory. You have just described evolution that is not caused by man. If it is that bad in NC, why don't you move ?
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Re: Climate Change Lies
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This is from a study done this year by the Science News:
There aren't more of the storms now than there were roughly 150 years ago, a study suggests. ... Iota's rapid intensification may be linked to global warming, but a 150-year record of Atlantic hurricanes suggests no long-term trend in storm frequency.
I am gonna go and try to kill some hogs that are causing damage to my property.
Or, maybe I should just try to hang around long enough for the climate change to get rid of them.LOL
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Hurricanes today have become more numerous and more severe, not to say that there were never severe or numerous hurricanes in the past. You can take this information to the bank. I lived on an NC barrier island for 15 years and before that served in the Coast Guard on the Outer Banks for 27 years. Sea Level is getting higher, the land is moving and eroding, forests are being killed by saltwater, homes and highways are being washed away, and inlets are filling and moving. Building codes are far more strenuous than ever before, yet storms continue to destroy property. These changes have not been subtle, but the changes are accelerating dramatically. Severe storms are occurring every year now instead of once per decade as in my childhood. I will be 75 next month so I've seen a few hurricanes in NC. I expect the same conditions have been experienced along the Texas Gulf Coast.
I wish it wasn't so. The foolish man builds his house on sand...we have a lot of fools along the Gulf and eastern seaboard. Joe Bastardi is a good follow on Twitter if you have it and also watch his Saturday Summary on weatherbell.com. He goes through a lot of history of storms and weather...which is why himself and the weatherbell team forecasts are more accurate then most because they actually pay attention to history and know what it means.
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Hurricanes today have become more numerous and more severe...I wish it wasn't so. it isn't... "Existing records of past Atlantic tropical storm or hurricane numbers (1878 to present) in fact do show a pronounced upward trend, which is also correlated with rising SSTs (e.g., see blue curve in Fig. 4 or Vecchi and Knutson 2008). However, the density of reporting ship traffic over the Atlantic was relatively sparse during the early decades of this record, such that if storms from the modern era (post 1965) had hypothetically occurred during those earlier decades, a substantial number of storms would likely not have been directly observed by the ship-based “observing network of opportunity.” We find that, after adjusting for such an estimated number of missing storms, there remains just a small nominally positive upward trend in tropical storm occurrence from 1878-2006. Statistical tests indicate that t his trend is not significantly distinguishable from zero (Figure 2)." https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/143 years worth of records vs how many thousands of years is statistically insignificant.
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While I don't buy into all the climate change political motivations. The truth seems to be the climate is changing. I don't pretend to know why but I am sure the extra taxes and most regulations will have no effect. That being said the death toll from storms over 100 years ago is not a good matrix for determining strength of the storms. Now I have not researched those storms or this last one and I am just pointing out the ill advised method the OP used to argue against any climate change. Please read what I posted. I never said the climate is not changing. The climate has been changing since the beginning of time and as long as records have been kept. I do not buy in to the theory that storms are more numerous or more intense because of man. I guess we are in agreement then.
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