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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365476
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If you put couple kids in a room with bowls of fruit and one of candy then tell them dont eat candy. Shut the door and watch through the key hole till they eat a piece if candy. Rush into the room and spank them. Tell them for the rest of their lives how evil they are for eating that candy. Will that make you a loving responsible parent?

The thing about believers talking to unbelievers is the constant reference to tales like that. If you dont believe them you dont believe them. Repeating them over and over doesnít make them sound any more truthful.


Trying to say a person who does not believe in the bibles creator can not know right from wrong is about as crazy as saying a talking snake is the reason little kids get cancer.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365498
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If you put couple kids in a room with bowls of fruit and one of candy then tell them dont eat candy. Shut the door and watch through the key hole till they eat a piece if candy. Rush into the room and spank them. Tell them for the rest of their lives how evil they are for eating that candy. Will that make you a loving responsible parent?




That's not the analogy Danny.

It was about choosing a path of self destruction. Of death.

God won't allow mankind to live forever in misery.
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The thing about believers talking to unbelievers is the constant reference to tales like that. If you dont believe them you dont believe them. Repeating them over and over doesnít make them sound any more truthful
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I feel the same way when people try to explain evolution

It's ludicrous to think earth, life, came along by happenstance

You don't believe a spirit being could take the form of a snake, but you believe all life formed from a pool of crud in the ocean

Who's crazier?




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Trying to say a person who does not believe in the bibles creator can not know right from wrong is about as crazy as saying a talking snake is the reason little kids get cancer


You're oblivious to what's happening in the world around you if you think everyone agrees in what is good and what is evil.

It's no coincidence that as a society rejects even the basic tenets of the Bible, the fall into to a path of self destruction


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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365501
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Since when has everyone agreed on right and wrong? Since when have christians agreed on right and wrong? Why do you think you know what I believe? I believe you only know what I donít believe.

I believe we are self destructing the same way Rome did. A society that rose to dominate the world while being polytheistic . Then collapsed under widespread corruption of government and big business


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365504
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A person only realizes right from wrong because of the God of the Bible. wink


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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365794
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Then why do unbelievers know right from wrong?

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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: James] #7365813
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Originally Posted by James
Then why do unbelievers know right from wrong?

Jim


See my previous answer James. It is the answer. Read the word "realize" a couple times over for better noggin absorption.

How would you as an agnostic argue the consciousness of right and wrong in only humans?

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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365819
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Humans are the only species that we know of who are self-aware and aware that others have selves. Who recognizes rights in others so that such rights will also be theirs.

Now I have a question for you: Why don't some people have a conscience? Some people, like psychopaths for instance, KNOW right from wrong, but feel no sense of guilt or wrong-doing for transgressing it. They can do ANYTHING without remorse.

Why did God make them that way?

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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: James] #7365823
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Originally Posted by James
Now I have a question for you: Why don't some people have a conscience? Some people, like psychopaths [and LAWYERS] for instance, KNOW right from wrong, but feel no sense of guilt or wrong-doing for transgressing it. They can do ANYTHING without remorse.

Why did God make them that way?

Jim


fixed it for you


"necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt the Younger
Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365829
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Cmon white marlin. How about if you have no answer you just donít reply?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Btw, Mark: I read one of Lewis's books, The Problem of Pain, I think was the title, years ago, Don't remember much about it.

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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365840
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Scientists have identified a region of the human brain associated with conscience and another area associated with self-restraint.

Under PET scans, these regions don't light up in one kind of person: the psychopath (as diagnosed by qualified psychiatrists).

Did God or Nature make them that way?

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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365861
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The Bible says a sinner can sear their conscience to the point it becomes uselss. Science may have caught up to it.

Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365864
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Cmon white marlin. How about if you have no answer you just donít reply?


just pointing out an obvious hypocrisy.


"necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt the Younger
Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: James] #7365888
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Originally Posted by James
Scientists have identified a region of the human brain associated with conscience and another area associated with self-restraint.

Under PET scans, these regions don't light up in one kind of person: the psychopath (as diagnosed by qualified psychiatrists).

Did God or Nature make them that way?

Jim

God allowed nature to make them that way. Just as he allows nature to create a child with downs syndrome. It doesn't seem fair, but we live in a broken world. If it were a perfect world without pain and suffering it would be called heaven/paradise. We sort of screwed that up.


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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7366014
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Since when has everyone agreed on right and wrong? Since when have christians agreed on right and wrong? Why do you think you know what I believe? I believe you only know what I donít believe.



Well it used to be we all knew what made a boy a boy, and that a boy should marry a girl. But that truth has been "redefined".

We also once knew it was wrong to bust into stores and steal from them, but now if we are protesting some perceived injustice it's ok.

I could go on but you brought up a lot of topics.

All Christians agree on many basic truths, like the topics I just covered.

And you're right, I don't know what you believe. You've been pretty busy attacking Christianity to enlighten us with your take on things.

Not sure if you have the answer or if you are one of those critics with no answer


Originally Posted by danny clifton

I believe we are self destructing the same way Rome did. A society that rose to dominate the world while being polytheistic . Then collapsed under widespread corruption of government and big business


They did rise being polytheistic

It's funny you brought that up


They would rise to power by grinding fellow humans into dust


You made a thread warning about how Christianity endorsed slavery

About 25% of the polytheistic Roman Empire was enslaved

Human trafficking and slavery was the lifeline of the Empire

The poor would sell their own children into slavery

To be a slave in the Roman Empire was different than the slaves spoke of in the Bible

Unlike biblical slaves, Roman slaves had no rights, could be killed without reason

They would be forced into sexual slavery, prostitution

God instructed the Israelites to give them the Sabbath off, one day off out of seven

It would have been radical in the time and context it was written

The teachings of the Bible would eventually end slavery here, legally anyways



If you have some vision of a better explanation of what is going on in the world, by all means enlighten us

You will have to present a pretty good case to convince me otherwise


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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7366058
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Whats going on now that has not gone on before? We have some really amazing technology but the one thing I do get from the bible is that human nature has not changed any.


P.S. Lots of Christian churchs accept homosexuality.


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Seems like I remember something biblical about theft being excused at times


Proverbs 6:30-31


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Originally Posted by danny clifton


P.S. Lots of Christian churchs accept homosexuality.


The leaders of those churches are the ones Paul warned about. They are not Christians.

Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7366070
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Seems like I remember something biblical about theft being excused at times


Proverbs 6:30-31


Don't forget that Jesus told his disciples to go rustle livestock to get him a ride.

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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: yotetrapper30] #7366071
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by danny clifton


P.S. Lots of Christian churchs accept homosexuality.


The leaders of those churches are the ones Paul warned about. They are not Christians.


You're pretty quick to pronounce judgment on who is a Muslim, who is a Christian, etc.


Jim

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