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Contest for wise wolfers(need help) #7418825
11/30/21 09:53 PM
11/30/21 09:53 PM
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Marion Kansas
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Yes sir Offline OP
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So.... everything I'm setting in the ground within 3/4 of a mile of my house is getting dug up again. Started 2 years ago and I just ignored it and moved on. Didn't trap last year for several reasons. Have caught 5 around my house so far but in the last 4 days I've had 4 different sets partly uncovered. With coyotes not having much value my goal rest of season is to catch the criminal and get a little self respect back. Looking for GOOD ideas how to put this sucker in an arm bar and get it to tap out. The person who gives me the set that takes it will receive 16 ounce of the best coyote bait you ever tried grin. Got a couple blind sets out but only trails are cattle trails and they are like concrete right now (took me an hour to put 4 in this morning and I was sweating and wore out afterwards) and the hard trails don't blend back in very good so I'm not super confident in them. Tomorrow morning going to put in some natural pee posts with fresh urine and two traps. Might put a few snares out at some point but it's pretty open country and we can't snare along fences besides roads. If you say it's a bedding problem or coons your disqualified. It might have been a bedding issue 2 years ago but we are beyond that now. Dirt holes disqualify you also as that's my go to set 90% of the time. Saw were it dug at all the loose piles of dirt at a remake that I had caught a coon at. Been doing great for the few traps I have out with the exception of lately and this one coyote. Haven't pinched any coyotes that got away this year either. Enlighten me wise ones.

Last edited by Yes sir; 12/08/21 09:38 AM.
Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7418874
11/30/21 10:28 PM
11/30/21 10:28 PM
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Aliceville, Kansas 44
Yukon John Online content
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I LOVE the compass set, but others on here poo poo it. Had my first 1 night catch last weekend on it. Best of luck!


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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7418877
11/30/21 10:29 PM
11/30/21 10:29 PM
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Try making a regular set and then setting a trap or two back from the regular set. Only cover with dry lawn clippings, no dirt or peat moss. Donít just put clippings over the trap beds but cover a bigger area. I am not a wise wolfer , by the way.

Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: clintp1971] #7418880
11/30/21 10:31 PM
11/30/21 10:31 PM
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Aliceville, Kansas 44
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Originally Posted by clintp1971
Try making a regular set and then setting a trap or two back from the regular set. Only cover with dry lawn clippings, no dirt or peat moss. Donít just put clippings over the trap beds but cover a bigger area. I am not a wise wolfer , by the way.

Lol, just came back to edit my comment, touche to you!


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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7418899
11/30/21 10:41 PM
11/30/21 10:41 PM
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Got one doing the same to me on a walk through. Keeps uncovering my trap and pulling off my pan cover. Changed out my trap from an MB650 to an MB550 just in case it was a contaminated trap or my pan tension too high. 90% of my sets are step downs but starting to use more walk throughs. I've caught them on compass sets but have also lost them due to too many toe catches. I would suggest a blind set close by, but if your ground is as hard as Chinese algebra like ours then maybe hang a few snares. Wish I could be more help.


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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7418962
11/30/21 11:17 PM
11/30/21 11:17 PM
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Assuming that the coyote isnít reacting to a poorly bedded trap or contaminated trap, then he has to be reacting to either the difference in texture or smell of the freshly dug dirt, or both. A hay mound set should solve it either way. Heís already in your set, as soon as heís on hay and the trap will only be bedded with hay, so thereís nothing to dig up. Please use two traps, Iím really looking forward to trying your bait!
Matt

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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: MattDoyle] #7418992
11/30/21 11:31 PM
11/30/21 11:31 PM
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Marion Kansas
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Yes sir Offline OP
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Originally Posted by MattDoyle
Assuming that the coyote isnít reacting to a poorly bedded trap or contaminated trap, then he has to be reacting to either the difference in texture or smell of the freshly dug dirt, or both. A hay mound set should solve it either way. Heís already in your set, as soon as heís on hay and the trap will only be bedded with hay, so thereís nothing to dig up. Please use two traps, Iím really looking forward to trying your bait!
Matt

I'll give it a go. Always kind of seemed like a gimmick set to me but if it works for this coyote that's all I need. FYI it's unfortunately not my bait but a friend of mines, but I'm doing the marketing for him because he's way too humble. Lol
But I guess it's really not marketing because he doesn't sell it....

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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7418995
11/30/21 11:34 PM
11/30/21 11:34 PM
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Aliceville, Kansas 44
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I also like the 2 traps method...I'd almost bed one FIRM (I know) somewhere in the immediate surrounding area, and hope for the best. I've got a similar situation going, and am having fun with the back and forth!


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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yukon John] #7419001
11/30/21 11:38 PM
11/30/21 11:38 PM
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Marion Kansas
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Yes sir Offline OP
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
I also like the 2 traps method...I'd almost bed one FIRM (I know) somewhere in the immediate surrounding area, and hope for the best. I've got a similar situation going, and am having fun with the back and forth!

I will only think it was fun AFTER I catch it. Until then it's kind of personal. Lol

Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7419009
11/30/21 11:46 PM
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I agree. I felt the same way until I watched Ed Schneider making mound sets with soy bean chaff and read Bill Nelson claiming it to be one of the most productive sets. There is a pretty good video on it here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=avVM93wc-98

Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7419084
12/01/21 01:24 AM
12/01/21 01:24 AM
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Set more snares with kill springs and fewer traps 1/16 " 1x 19 or even 7x7 snares will do the trick in all honesty it doesn't take much narrowing down the trail to catch coyotes trust me .
Now I'm going to go pop some popcorn and watch for all the nay sayer's trying to convince you my suggestion wont work ha ha


Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: MattDoyle] #7419102
12/01/21 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MattDoyle
Assuming that the coyote isnít reacting to a poorly bedded trap or contaminated trap, then he has to be reacting to either the difference in texture or smell of the freshly dug dirt, or both. A hay mound set should solve it either way. Heís already in your set, as soon as heís on hay and the trap will only be bedded with hay, so thereís nothing to dig up. Please use two traps, Iím really looking forward to trying your bait!
Matt


Yes, I agree with Matt. I use straw for my hay sets just what's available. And I place them on a natural or made up dirt mound ... I think it gives the dog a standout focus point.


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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7419105
12/01/21 04:45 AM
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Put your attractor 24"-30" off the ground, make him come in with his nose in the air not on the ground where your trap is.
I'm no wise woofer by any means, but I believe in using an animals strength against them. And with yotes their nose is their strength.
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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7419117
12/01/21 06:24 AM
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Dropping set with , no backing. right under its nose. Lured with red fox gland. Sometimes ya gotta get them angry to divert their attention from the trap.


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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7419180
12/01/21 08:57 AM
12/01/21 08:57 AM
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Yes sir Offline OP
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Going to give all these ideas an honest go. Probably catch 20 extra coyotes in the process. Lol

Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7419209
12/01/21 09:28 AM
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Is it digging repeatedly at the same sets? Even after youíve fixed them?

If so, pretty simple solution to kill it, as thatís not a smart coyote. Smart coyotes donít dig more than once, they donít come anywhere near it.

Next time it digs one, leave everything as is and simply bed another one (or two) extremely well bedded and blended traps where you see he dug from (or think he did if no tracks). Usually the downwind side.

Leave the original trap and pan cover in the bed mostly exposed. He knows itís there and it gives him something to fixate on.

Iíve left just the pan cover in the original bed and dragged the original trap out to the under foot position too.

Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Boone Liane] #7419217
12/01/21 09:31 AM
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X2 Not a very smart yote. He has to win every time, you only have to win once.


Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Is it digging repeatedly at the same sets? Even after youíve fixed them?

If so, pretty simple solution to kill it, as thatís not a smart coyote. Smart coyotes donít dig more than once, they donít come anywhere near it.

Next time it digs one, leave everything as is and simply bed another one (or two) extremely well bedded and blended traps where you see he dug from (or think he did if no tracks). Usually the downwind side.

Leave the original trap and pan cover in the bed mostly exposed. He knows itís there and it gives him something to fixate on.

Iíve left just the pan cover in the original bed and dragged the original trap out to the under foot position too.




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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: trappergbus] #7419244
12/01/21 09:51 AM
12/01/21 09:51 AM
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Marion Kansas
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Yes sir Offline OP
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I didn't see that he had dug until I pulled them this year but from my experience 2 yrs ago he'll come right back and uncover them if I fix set. I'll sure try your solution if he uncovers any new sets. Going to break out some of your lure and bait to try on him, got a little left still.Thanks.

Originally Posted by trappergbus
Dropping set with , no backing. right under its nose. Lured with red fox gland. Sometimes ya gotta get them angry to divert their attention from the trap.



Gary do you apply the fox gland lure right to droppings. I picked up a fresh one on road this morning in front of house so I'll be making ur set tomorrow morning.

Yoteguts
Let's just call him smart for my self-esteem LOL but I get ur point

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Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7419310
12/01/21 11:21 AM
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Matt

Put in the chaff mound set with existing wheat and soybean chaff this morning. Used two traps. Bedded and blended the 2 traps for the natural pee post set this morning also. Going to let it air out a few days then add urine and put a compass set close by. I'll add a few more sets in the morning. Then have to wait a few more days until we move calves off wheat pasture to set another field close by.

Re: Contest for wise wolfers [Re: Yes sir] #7419389
12/01/21 12:48 PM
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Well blended flat set/scent post. Use clump of grass or something natural as scent holder.

Here is the winning slam dunk.....use two traps....front and back side....or one trap up close and other trap further out front and offset.

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