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Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #6673777
11/23/19 08:11 PM
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I use wax paper. Taximan has a good idea though!

Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #6674168
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You guys use that pipe insulation or polyfill right out of the bag? Does it have an odor? This seems more efficient than wire pan covers. Will the insulation freeze solid if it gets wet and is exposed to freeze/thaw cycles?


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Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #6674415
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I use black wire screen on pipe dream, flat and trail sets in the grass. For dirt holes I’ve used a lot of different things, under all’s, fiberglass, polyfill even corn husks and grape leaves. They all work well when it’s dry, they all fail when frozen in a pool of water lol.

Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: DarkNight] #6674832
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Originally Posted by DarkNight
You guys use that pipe insulation or polyfill right out of the bag? Does it have an odor? This seems more efficient than wire pan covers. Will the insulation freeze solid if it gets wet and is exposed to freeze/thaw cycles?


I cut my insulation up right out of the bag and store in ziplock bag till i need it, but have no issues with scent on brand new stuff. Also I dont get tons of moisture but i have never had my insulation freeze solid or even enough to not let trap fire. Great stuff IMO.


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Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #6675284
11/25/19 04:13 PM
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Any issues with the pipe insulation freezing in really wet/freezing weather? I've used the poly for several years and had it freeze solid....any problems with the pipe insulation doing that? Thanks!


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Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #6678196
11/28/19 01:52 PM
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Here's what works for me - fold flaps(do not crease) over and slide under pan, all edges are protected. Works fox to yotes.

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Fiberglass screen against sheet of paper for visibility.

Center square is pan size +1" each side. Flaps are long enough to fold over stay folded under pan, tapered to make corners easier. 8 of 10 times screen is reusable but I wash them before reusing them on canines(just in case). I have plexiglass glass templates(for large pans #3 and over, #2 and under) that I lay atop several full size squares(pan plus flaps) and then cut them shape w/SHARP carpet knife. Easy Peasy. I get all the screen I can use all but free from a window repair shop.


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Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #6678237
11/28/19 02:45 PM
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I use polyfill but this insulation deal looks pretty good too!! Thanks for the tip!

Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7432770
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Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7432791
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I use landscape fabric.

Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7432902
12/16/21 12:32 AM
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Here is what I tried thru the years and have settled on: Poly fill, fiberglass, coffee filters, foam, peat moss and underalls do take in water and freeze in the freeze/thaw soil moisture and temps we have here in middle and later winter. All of these do work great under mild and drier conditions and more power to you if they will work in your area. When its 40 degrees during the day and 21 degrees at night with moisture, you will (I did) experience any water, forming a solid chunk of ice under the trap pan. So to avoid any ice under the pan that leaves us with a pan covering layer to choose from like sandwich bags, latex, landscape fabric, window screen, wax paper or wax cupcake liners to choose from. Even if these should get soaked with water the SPACE UNDER THE PAN IS VOID OF frozen material. I will steal a technique/tip from the Indiana Vet trapper and cut a roll of wax paper in 1/2, flatten it and tear off a piece as needed at each set. Little prep time and a whole lot easier to tear and place in a wind than some of the others. Notch the cupcake liners if you are into prep time for the dog and pan shank but I guess I'm closer to my last trapline than my first so I just tear a piece when I need one and make it fit. Nothing against window screen or latex but again, the prep time is more than I want to give. Plastic bags work for a big trap but small jaw spreads are compromised with the entire trap encapsulated. Its Wax Paper on 1/2 of a roll for cost and ease of use for me....... the mike.

Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7433174
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I started with wax paper and ended up using landscape fabric ( the heavy stuff ) about like a good denim shirt. I still like this method and may go back to it . If I was trapping in sand I would use the pipe insulation or Polly. I tried them here back in the late 90’s and they both ended up being a frozen chunk under the pan as our soil does not drain well. And no driving a stake to make a hole under the trap does not work when you get an inch or more of rain .

Wife I had good luck with the wax paper but went to the landscape fabric because of its durable nature, heck if I could find it I could almost always reuse it.

Mark I watched you do a demo in Kansas ( I think) years ago and I don’t know how you can claim that you use Polly, lol . Folks the man does not use enough Polly to make one end of a q-tip . What I gathered from watching that demo was , it’s more about the packing of dirt than it is about the Polly . But I would rather hear your thoughts.



Thanks,
Don

P.S. Today I use peat between the jaws and under the pan , with waxed dirt over the top . A word of warning, peat only works if it is bone dry to start with .

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Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7433185
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I've used poly fill and I won't do it again. I used to use wax paper pan covers, but last year I switched to landscaping fabric and I like it the best. I pre-cut them in 5"x5" squares and let 'em air out to get rid of any smell. Tough, cheap, and super easy to make!

Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7433198
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Every time I try any kind of pan cover I swear I never will use them again. If in the sand, I can see it, but here it's mostly wet soil that you can't sift well, so peat or similar works good.
If freezing isn't an issue, I would just carry good dirt and pack it in tight, but freezing is almost always an issue in the east.


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Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7433318
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Over the years i have use wax paper, coffee filers.This year i went to foam i like what i am seeing. Good year to try new things.

Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7433394
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This year I've been using steel screen on my K9 Extremes. I must say its working great. The pan on the Extreme sits real low between the jaws. The screen doesn't work as well on my #3 Bridgers. I use pipe insulation withe Bridgers. Waxed sand covrs both.

Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7434364
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K9 Extreme Jr.s, and polyfill, completely surrounded in wax sand. Bulletproof...fires every time.

Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7434551
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Underalls on the Sterlings,3N's sandwich bag on Bridger #3's and MB 550's with waxed sand/dirt.

Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7434630
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Polyfill on everything the last couple years. I like the pipe insulation idea, going to give that a try.


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Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7434656
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I’ve used all of the above and more. Where I live now, anything under the pan would freeze solid if it got wet. I didn’t like the pipe insulation because I didn’t feel there was enough of a horizontal void around the pan to accept a dropping foot. At least, not as much as wax paper. The poly fill worked real well in the southeast but can freeze as hard as ice here in negative temperatures. I used canvas squares for a few years but it became tough to maintain good supplies and absorbed too much water. Coffee filters and wax paper are my go-to now. I’ve always ended up with waxed paper. There have been times where I forgot the waxed paper and set a ton of traps with balled up grass under the pan or nothing at all and it worked just fine. Screen can be good if it fits right.


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Re: Pan covers or underpans, whos using what? [Re: BraskaYoter] #7434923
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I use black nylon screen. The glass man in town has waste from jobs on occasion.

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