Re: Scots-Irish
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12/30/21 11:37 PM
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According to my last name, probably Scottish. But no records of my last name exist anywhere. So it was seriously misspelled at some point... Or we were such criminals that the nobility did their best to erase our ever having existed.
I'm joking. Sort of.
The explanation I have been given is pretty murky and convoluted and involves "borrowed" names and such.
A DNA test might yield some clues but I'm not overly concerned with pursuing it.
Mike
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Re: Scots-Irish
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12/31/21 12:15 AM
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All, I had no idea how far this question would go, quite frankly it exceeds my wildest hopes, as anyone knows you don't ask a question you don't know the answer to. I do know most Americans don't have a clue about what the S-I have done for our republic and it's form of government, let alone know themselves, who they are and/or where they come from. I am well aware and have made an extensive search into my family's history. Most don't know we declared our freedom from the kings before the colonies did, they don't know we don't need the second amendment to tell us we have the right to bear arms, they have absolutely no idea how far we as a culture have come. So they can't know how far we can fall, they have no idea that their are no born aristocracy. They have forgotten that freemen don't work for wages, freemen work for themselves making what life they can by the sweat of their brow, hand and mind. The king doesn't own the land I do. The king doesn't own me or my mind I do. Some, maybe most don't agree with me but I've read things in this post that give me hope. Rant done. Case
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Re: Scots-Irish
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12/31/21 12:34 AM
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Worked myself up into a lather their. Sorry bout that. I'm cooling down now.
Rules: Col. Jeff Cooper #1for a gunfight Gibbs. #9 always carry a knife
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Re: Scots-Irish
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12/31/21 12:46 AM
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Would love to see that pedigree. T.W.N.A.O. T-man, your only talking about approx. 800 years.my people were there 400 yrs ago. Guess I'll have to Google it myself. Thanks for the history.
And look now, your in North America. You guys get around.
John O'Hart traced the pedigrees of the major Irish families. https://www.libraryireland.com/Pedigrees1/title.phpYou may be able to trace your family back far enough on www.familysearch.org to link into his work. Some of O'Hart's recorded pedigrees go all the way to Adam & Eve. Mine does. I suspect that some of the older parts of the pedigrees are questionable, though they are based on the bible and other well respected works. Keith Yes Keith... i have those line to Adam and eve... those line were created by the Royal familes just to show their superior race. I show a lot of royal blood through British Isle and Europe... but can't find where any of them left me any money. I just told the gal that I found her father after all these years and she was completely beside herself. I don't charge people to do their family, but she insisted on paying my dies for another year of Ancestry. I tried talking her out of it, but wouldn't accept no for an answer. If I can help anyone with getting started PM me and I will see what I can do. I believe it is now about 58 years I have been doing it. I have only 2 lines in my family left to break through brick walls and I can die happy... but don't really ever expect it will happen... and one of them is my McLaughlin line... the crazy Irishmen didn't leave much of a trail. He was one of the last of my ancestors to come to this country and that is around 1803... I just shy of 54,000 names joined in my database and could have 1/2 that many moore if I would fill in all of my familes kids. Good night all. Garry-
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Re: Scots-Irish
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12/31/21 01:00 AM
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All, I had no idea how far this question would go, quite frankly it exceeds my wildest hopes, as anyone knows you don't ask a question you don't know the answer to. I do know most Americans don't have a clue about what the S-I have done for our republic and it's form of government, let alone know themselves, who they are and/or where they come from. I am well aware and have made an extensive search into my family's history. Most don't know we declared our freedom from the kings before the colonies did, they don't know we don't need the second amendment to tell us we have the right to bear arms, they have absolutely no idea how far we as a culture have come. So they can't know how far we can fall, they have no idea that their are no born aristocracy. They have forgotten that freemen don't work for wages, freemen work for themselves making what life they can by the sweat of their brow, hand and mind. The king doesn't own the land I do. The king doesn't own me or my mind I do. Some, maybe most don't agree with me but I've read things in this post that give me hope. Rant done. Case The Scots and Scotch/Irish are a hard headed lot and American owes much of her existence to that determination. Much of the opening of the west, and not the west on the other side of the big ditch either but the west on the other side of the Appalachians was due to those hard heads refusing to settle down and accept a role as a lower class to the long established tidewater planter class. It was long established Crown policy that the mountains were a border with English to the east and Indians to the west and further expansion was restricted. They kind of set the tone that America would eventually reach the pacific.
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Re: Scots-Irish
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12/31/21 01:38 AM
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Thank God someone besides me reads real history, thanks Warrior. They don’t know we were the first line of defense against west coming east enemies. They had to protect that old money built up on the coast. We were fodder to them. And the first ones to go west, that would be Ohio, Ind. Ill. Ken. and south to the Carolina s. The people watching John Wayne movies think that was the west, that’s the real joke. Anything past the original 13 was the real west.
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Re: Scots-Irish
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12/31/21 05:27 AM
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Yes Scots, Irish as well as German, Spanish, French and American Indian, and my kids are also Asian as well
Guess my family is just what my dad always referred to as Heinz 57 American mutt
�Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.� ― Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: Scots-Irish
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12/31/21 06:04 AM
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Not me, but I admire your heritage and plan to visit Scotland. I like your colors too. The skirts are wonderful, but better on a beautiful red haired lass!
What do you folks think about Hollywood remaking the classic movie “The Quiet Man”? John Wayne, Maureen O’Hara, and Victor MacLaughlin made the movie great! The new version will star the Witch who married Prince Harry. Can’t you picture her as an Irish lassie? Insulting!
My earliest verified and documented ancestor arrived at Philadelphia in 1717 from Switzerland. Some of his descendants followed, but detoured through Germany about 20-30 years later. My family history was researched and documented in a formal Genealogy written in hardback book published in 1933. 300 copies were printed. My grandfather is listed in the book.
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Re: Scots-Irish
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12/31/21 09:56 AM
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The Bandy family Did you know that under Scottish laws arms as in armorial bearing are property and can only be borne by their rightful owner? Usually the chief or an individual that has been granted arms by Lord Lyon of Lyons Court. Clan members have no rights to bear or display arms not belonging to them. They may display or bear a clan badge that may or may not have a portion of the chiefs arms, usually the crest and/or motto. Individual arms usually are not heritable. But if they are and they have fallen vacant any descendant in the direct line may pick them up if they can prove to be the rightful heir to Lyons Court. Falsely bearing arms or assuming arms is a criminal offense in Scotland. Somewhat the same without criminal penalty applies to the wearing of feathers, usually eagle, on the bonnet. Only chiefs (three) subchiefs (two) or armorial individuals (one) are to wear the feathers with some clans recognizing colonels of regiments or industry leaders as entitled to wear a single feather. The Crown wears four. Much of this differs from English armorial law.
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Re: Scots-Irish
[Re: Mike in A-town]
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12/31/21 10:02 AM
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According to my last name, probably Scottish. But no records of my last name exist anywhere. So it was seriously misspelled at some point... Or we were such criminals that the nobility did their best to erase our ever having existed.
I'm joking. Sort of.
The explanation I have been given is pretty murky and convoluted and involves "borrowed" names and such.
A DNA test might yield some clues but I'm not overly concerned with pursuing it.
Mike Some of the Immigration Officers would spell the way they felt when the people came into the country, and most being illiterate would not know what went on their passport. Many Scot and Welsh were viewed with discus by the British agents going back to the resentment of boarder skirmishes of past. Every wonder why a Scot can only carry a Skindo in his stocking ? and has to show the handle when in public.
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Re: Scots-Irish
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12/31/21 10:17 AM
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That's good because as far as my research Bandy's origin is French. At one point the Bandy family name was the largest family registry in the world. My family is found in the third book of Bandy I think chapter 2 from where my family left Liverpool England to Virginia in 1742 and from then till now I am in Virginia. The last in the line of my family but not the line of my people the peacock is the symbol in purple and gold.
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No matter where you go there you are.
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Re: Scots-Irish
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12/31/21 10:50 AM
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That's good because as far as my research Bandy's origin is French. It might surprise many if they understood that many notable Scot, Irish and Welch clans and families are actually Norman French. William the Conqueror was quite shrewd in rewarding his warriors by scattering them out into the borders of his newly acquired kingdom. Even the Scottish patriot Robert the Bruce was Norman and William Wallace most certainly was fluent in French as a Gaelic speaking Pict he most certainly was not. And let's not forget the "Auld Alliance" between the Scottish and French crowns against England.
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