Re: Gas prices < not a joke
[Re: danvee]
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You blame it all on the XL pipeline leg that Biden stopped. If he had not stopped it, it would still not be in operation yet today. Nice try there covering for your guy Biden, but if he had not stopped it, it would be a lot closer to operational today. If/when they ever come to their senses and realize it's not good for national security to be dependant on energy from countries that hate us, do you know how long it will take just to get back to working on that line? So the administration is supposed to mandate the oil companies to drill or subsidies them even more than what they are now. Maybe the Dems should just pass out free gas cards? and by our fur? Its called business and capitalism. Explain to me how the government stepping in and shutting down a partially completed pipeline is capitalism.
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Re: Gas prices < not a joke
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It is only capitalism when the U.S. prevents Russian natural gas lines being built by the private sector in Europe.
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Re: Gas prices < not a joke
[Re: danvee]
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Walleye so when is it ok in America to put a pipeline across another's land if they dont want it be Dem. or Rep. Native Americans didn't want the pipeline to cross the little bit of land they are on. A lot of ranchers and the State of Neb. objected to it. Why not drill and mine the state of MN for cheaper minerals and oil. as a matter of fact dump the waste into the 10,000 lakes you have it would even be cheaper to produce products. Lets net all those lakes so we can have cheap fish fries. Im not against extraction of minerals, coal or oil production but not at the cost of taking someone's land or polluting it for cheaper gas. I know how oil companies and mining companies avoid costs taking short cuts and leaving towns with a mess. We have a nuclear power plant that is going to be built in Wy not sure I like that but its coming, they figure keep it in wide open spaces so when there is a mishap it wont kill hundreds of thousands of people. We have fracking waste coming into wells in Wy because of cheap oil not a real happy situation when your water is no longer safe to drink. Im not a hypocrite we need energy but I cherish the state I live in, clean water, air and the wildlife. You sound like the common denominater,.Putting America first seems foreign to you ? You assume we cant exploit our natural resources without environmental catastrophe ? America needs a push to accommodate our production of green energy? Where will that nickle come from if not mined in the USA?,..dependent again on foreign sources?,..Indonesia? I think the state of world affairs should assure us, that looking after ourselves is priority number one.
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Re: Gas prices < not a joke
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It is only capitalism when the U.S. prevents Russian natural gas lines being built by the private sector in Europe. That's called common sense.
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Re: Gas prices < not a joke
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Walleye so when is it ok in America to put a pipeline across another's land if they dont want it be Dem. or Rep. Native Americans didn't want the pipeline to cross the little bit of land they are on. A lot of ranchers and the State of Neb. objected to it. Why not drill and mine the state of MN for cheaper minerals and oil. as a matter of fact dump the waste into the 10,000 lakes you have it would even be cheaper to produce products. Lets net all those lakes so we can have cheap fish fries. Im not against extraction of minerals, coal or oil production but not at the cost of taking someone's land or polluting it for cheaper gas. I know how oil companies and mining companies avoid costs taking short cuts and leaving towns with a mess. We have a nuclear power plant that is going to be built in Wy not sure I like that but its coming, they figure keep it in wide open spaces so when there is a mishap it wont kill hundreds of thousands of people. We have fracking waste coming into wells in Wy because of cheap oil not a real happy situation when your water is no longer safe to drink. Im not a hypocrite we need energy but I cherish the state I live in, clean water, air and the wildlife. This is the classic "Zig and Zag" .....Started at the end of this thread, read last page. Got interested enough to go to first post and read through. "Zig and Zag"....
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Re: Gas prices < not a joke
[Re: danvee]
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Walleye so when is it ok in America to put a pipeline across another's land if they dont want it be Dem. or Rep. Native Americans didn't want the pipeline to cross the little bit of land they are on. A lot of ranchers and the State of Neb. objected to it. Why not drill and mine the state of MN for cheaper minerals and oil. as a matter of fact dump the waste into the 10,000 lakes you have it would even be cheaper to produce products. Lets net all those lakes so we can have cheap fish fries. Im not against extraction of minerals, coal or oil production but not at the cost of taking someone's land or polluting it for cheaper gas. I know how oil companies and mining companies avoid costs taking short cuts and leaving towns with a mess. We have a nuclear power plant that is going to be built in Wy not sure I like that but its coming, they figure keep it in wide open spaces so when there is a mishap it wont kill hundreds of thousands of people. We have fracking waste coming into wells in Wy because of cheap oil not a real happy situation when your water is no longer safe to drink. Im not a hypocrite we need energy but I cherish the state I live in, clean water, air and the wildlife. Nice job using a disconnected environmental rant to completely avoid my questions. We just completed the repacement of Enbridge line three in 2021, with a new more efficient, and safer pipeline across MN. Native Americans had concerns so they altered the alingment to avoid tribal lands. They used a very thorough environmental review process and modern methods of crossing sensative areas like stream crossings, wetlands, with directional boring. No body was dumping waste into any lakes and the only ones netting any lakes for cheap fish fries were the native americans. Not that any of this really matters to you because it was just a rant to avoid legitamate questions about flawed Biden administration policies.
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Re: Gas prices < not a joke
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It is only capitalism when the U.S. prevents Russian natural gas lines being built by the private sector in Europe. That's called common sense. If Europe starts buying more LNG from the U.S. because we limited their supply from Russia thereby increasing the demand for U.S. natural gas, how will that affect the price of natural gas in the U.S? I'll ask it another way if the demand for raccoon pelts increases, what happens to the price of raccoon pelts?
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Re: Gas prices < not a joke
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Walleye so when is it ok in America to put a pipeline across another's land if they dont want it be Dem. or Rep. Native Americans didn't want the pipeline to cross the little bit of land they are on. A lot of ranchers and the State of Neb. objected to it. Why not drill and mine the state of MN for cheaper minerals and oil. as a matter of fact dump the waste into the 10,000 lakes you have it would even be cheaper to produce products. Lets net all those lakes so we can have cheap fish fries. Im not against extraction of minerals, coal or oil production but not at the cost of taking someone's land or polluting it for cheaper gas. I know how oil companies and mining companies avoid costs taking short cuts and leaving towns with a mess. We have a nuclear power plant that is going to be built in Wy not sure I like that but its coming, they figure keep it in wide open spaces so when there is a mishap it wont kill hundreds of thousands of people. We have fracking waste coming into wells in Wy because of cheap oil not a real happy situation when your water is no longer safe to drink. Im not a hypocrite we need energy but I cherish the state I live in, clean water, air and the wildlife. Nice job using a disconnected environmental rant to completely avoid my questions. We just completed the repacement of Enbridge line three in 2021, with a new more efficient, and safer pipeline across MN. Native Americans had concerns so they altered the alingment to avoid tribal lands. They used a very thorough environmental review process and modern methods of crossing sensative areas like stream crossings, wetlands, with directional boring. No body was dumping waste into any lakes and the only ones netting any lakes for cheap fish fries were the native americans. Not that any of this really matters to you because it was just a rant to avoid legitamate questions about flawed Biden administration policies. Danvee They did finish the upgraded pipeline. You would only know it by the cleared strip of land that runs atop it. If we go to “green” energy the electric power needs are going need a much more extensive grid and far more of those cleared strips criss crossing the northland here. As far as mining the greens have shut down the new mine project down by Babbit. They are also closing an existing iron operation there in a few months. We have tried to accommodate mining. No one for the most part in Itasca county owns their mineral rights underground. A company out of Colorado a few years ago bought the rights to that county a few years ago. The land I have there can be mined wether I like it or not. Part of the original State School Trust agreements which Dems a long time ago corrupted. The Indians currently do have the rights to net lakes over a wide swath of Minnesota. Danvee I think there is far more to locating a power plant than wide open spaces. Osky
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Re: Gas prices < not a joke
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5.05 for diesel here. 3.99 gor reg unleaded.
It was 3.29 for gas and 3.15 for diesel 4 days ago
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Re: Gas prices < not a joke
[Re: danvee]
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Im not agreeing with Biden administration on green energy though it will be part of the makeup of energy consumption. The point Im trying to make is Biden or anyone person is responsible for the increase in fuel prices. Yes, alternative energy sources will eventually be part, perhaps a large part, of future energy consumption. Some of us would prefer that to happen, where advancements in alternative energy make it more efficient, out competing fossil fuels in a free market. Of course Biden is not totally responsible for the increase in fuel prices, but anyone capable of looking at this objectively knows that his energy policies, including stopping the Keystone pipeline, are intended to artificially inflate oil prices to make "green energy" appear an affordable alternative.
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Re: Gas prices < not a joke
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