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Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557773
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You better stick to arm chair coaching and quarterbacking. That or flip flopping SEC teams. Lol. Land prices have been high heat for quite a while. Stick to subjects you can bs people who donít know any better. BTW, Iím all for CRP, just isnít happening in my part of the world much. And certainly isnít paying off farm loans. Have a good night all.


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Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557774
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BTW -- 250- 300 acre rent is normal in this area for usable/ reasonable ground. not necessarily irrigated.

Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557775
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jaybird- You're getting closer but not quite there yet.

First of all, you didn't say 2800+ acre over a 10 year contract, you inferred or came across to me at least, it was $2800 for the year. And yes there are whole Walk-In Area tracts that will go for that much money to have public access but I missed "per acre" so my bad there as well.

However, you missed or downplayed the word "potentially" could secure up to $188 a year per acre rental. That might work for some West River cropland but that annual rent won't work around here, especially this year (but most private rental contracts for 2022 were probably already signed before the Ukrainian War) or more likely next year.

Thirdly, the South Dakota DNR is not a wildlife agency such a good number of other states, such as Minnesota. SD DNR works with water quality and such things. SD GFP would handle Walk-In Area rentals. Fur, Fish, and Game writers just don't know know any better, and why should they know the formal name of each state's agency that deal with wildlife.


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Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557805
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CRP is thru Dept of agriculture not DNR

Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: Steven 49er] #7557808
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Nobody in SD is getting 2600 dollars an acre CRP payment.

Around here CRP what a guy can get cash rent.

You want to retract that statement after I did the math for you ???
But your right itís 188 potential so it 2800 per

Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557817
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Well I guess Iím hard headed but like mentioned before do a google search on land prices per acre South Dakota 2006 bucks per acre Of course thatís not every acre in South Dakota thatís average So do the math Find some property thatís not worth cropping. Buy it sign it up in CRP then have you own private hunting ground
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Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557819
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Hereís another search I did that shows the doubters about farmers buying in 2009 and getting paid to buy a farm over the 15 year contract of CRP Look at the bell curve for 2008-2011 Farms lost value
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Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557825
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I suspect that if that was accurate, the rich corperations would buy up every available acre and profit off of it. Then when it was profitable, they would sell the land off to their rich shareholders therefore making the entire country owned by a small few.

Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: Mark K] #7557832
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Originally Posted by Mark K
I suspect that if that was accurate, the rich corperations would buy up every available acre and profit off of it. Then when it was profitable, they would sell the land off to their rich shareholders therefore making the entire country owned by a small few.



Have you noticed what Bill.Gates has been doing?

And it AIN'T for CRP payments...

Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557845
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I need to move. I put 10 small hard to farm fields into CRP last year. About 115 acres. Payment rate is around $30/ac


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Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557867
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Originally Posted by DHH
There is a program called WRP ( wetland restoration program ) that's similar to CRP . It offers a large one time payment . Payments are based on the quality of the land and once enrolled can never be taken out of the program . Been seeing some land owners that have not been able to sell poor land for a stupid high price enroll in itÖNew buyer can't do anything with land to generate an income off it.


Would any owner be able to make money off the poor land that has been restored/converted into wetlands? Unless there is a covenant that covers the entire property (both high and low ground) that prevents use. I see your point and it would make sense to stagger out payments to encourage longer spans of ownership.

Originally Posted by jbyrd63

You want to retract that statement after I did the math for you ???
But your right itís 188 potential so it 2800 per


If your math included inflation then you would realize it actually isnít $2,800/acre over 10 years. Itís less. Listen to MJM, if large corporations arenít coddling up to this program then it is, at best, net zero.


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Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: Pawnee] #7557874
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
I need to move. I put 10 small hard to farm fields into CRP last year. About 115 acres. Payment rate is around $30/ac


But in a hundred years, your land will be FREE!!!

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Originally Posted by DaveP
Originally Posted by Pawnee
I need to move. I put 10 small hard to farm fields into CRP last year. About 115 acres. Payment rate is around $30/ac


But in a hundred years, your land will be FREE!!!


Payed 2950 for some of it. Taxes on that are $15-$20 per acre so we better bump the FREE up to 250 years. Lol


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Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557881
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Wait, You mean, the government is going to pay people to be not productive? No way!


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Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557891
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Wifeís family just sold the farm place the farm ground went for $5,000 a acre the pasture ground went for $1,100 2022 prices the deal closes the second week in May so current prices!


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Re: Buy in SD land feds pay for it [Re: jbyrd63] #7557894
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by Law Dog
A farm just sold here 1600+ acres the farm ground went $5000 a acre the pasture land for $1100 this deal closes in early May.

Yes and that pasture land can be enrolled Thatís what people donít understand it doesnít have to be crop land Farms in hart co KY were in the program in the mid 2000ís that are sink holes and cedar thickets
What you guys are failing to under stand is the crp payment is the life of the contract the purchase price per acre is one time The crp payments can and have paid for a ton of farms here in Ky

So youn are exempt from interest payments, taxes and insurance?

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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Nobody in SD is getting 2600 dollars an acre CRP payment.

Around here CRP what a guy can get cash rent.

You want to retract that statement after I did the math for you ???
But your right itís 188 potential so it 2800 per


Nah, I'm good. Everyone else here thought you were saying 2800 a year. Wanna know why? Because that is how we talk in farm country. If we mean 2800 stretched out over 15 years we quantify that.

Even so there isn't anyone getting 188 dollar crp payment an acre on 2500 dollar land, that is about what our sells for around my house and the little land that is enrolled is running in the 70 to 90 dollar range for crp. At that rate, it takes over 25 years to break even and that is if you pay cash for the land.

Your comment about 13,000 land being recent shows how out of touch with reality you are.

You haven't got a clue what math is beyond 1+1=3.


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Jbyrd, I agree with you that government has no place in subsidizing farming. That is not my argument.

What I believe you are failing to see is that you don't understand that there is more money to be made farming the ground than putting it in CRP. Here, today, people seem to be signing up the ground that is overtly environmentally sensitive like low lying areas and super sandy ground.


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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Jbyrd, I agree with you that government has no place in subsidizing farming. That is not my argument.

What I believe you are failing to see is that you don't understand that there is more money to be made farming the ground than putting it in CRP. Here, today, people seem to be signing up the ground that is overtly environmentally sensitive like low lying areas and super sandy ground.



49Er I don't disagree with you about making more money farming land then entering the CRP program. My point and regret is not knowing about this program 10 years ago. My wife and I was looking for a small farm closer to her family that is about 125 miles from were we live. BUT In a 1-2 year SEARCH before COVID WE looked at SEVERAL farms that were on the last years of the program. Some had 2 years 1 had 4 years left.95% of them were along the green river basin. That's why they qualified. EVERY one we looked at in the disclosure and deed search the previous selling price is listed. ALL YES ALL the ones in the CREP programs were purchased for less than the money the farmers got paid thru CRP at the time they purchased. They had to wait 3 years before signing them up. But were I messed up was looking for land that I knew would hunt really good that had a dwelling on it my wife liked. Hind sight I should have bought them and flipped them. Sad part was I had the cash in the bank to buy most of what we looked at.
If someone was wanting a place for a weekend get away or their own land just to hunt WHEN THIS was still around here in Ky the CRP funding would have made the payments !!!! It's simple math . I'll look on my computer to see if I still have any properties saved that will show asking price with crp monies still on them. Then do a search to see what they sold for to the farmer that signed them up.

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Originally Posted by H2ORat
BTW -- 250- 300 acre rent is normal in this area for usable/ reasonable ground. not necessarily irrigated.


Yea we know everything is better in ore ...NOT LOL Home of the summer of love movement!!

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