Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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The inability to suffer humiliation seems to be a common thread with these shooters. It’s normally something learned as a kid losing in competition. I would say rather that they don't have the support system at home or elsewhere that can teach them how to deal with it. If you're not taught how to harness negative emotions into something positive or at least benign, it will just eat at you until something breaks.
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: danny clifton]
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05/30/22 08:58 AM
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Flicker shad, young people are who were being committed. Tested at school when problems arose. People who were mentally slow were sent to a different school instead of holding back the rest of the class. If this shooter, or any shooter for that matter, makes a plan for shooting up a school are they clinically insane? Yes. Wanting to commit mass murder is definitely a symptom of mental illness. Look at Ted Bundy. A psychopath. Nuttier than a pet coon. Doesn't mean he was incapable of planning and executing a crime. Doesn't mean he didnt know right from wrong. He had no personal sense of right and wrong but knew what society expected. Confining the mentally ill won't stop mass murder but it will lower the incidence significantly. I was speaking in the sense of having someone committed. If the rules for criminal insanity apply to having someone committed, that would be tough to prove. Bundy couldn't even sell insanity and he met the executioner.
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: seniortrap]
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If a person knows right from wrong, just being mentally ill is not a defense
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: WhiteCliffs]
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I dont consider my AR’s assault weapons - I consider them anti assault weapons. To me, an AR 15 is the finest hunting weapon ever made - for my purposes. No, I wouldnt take one on an elk or elephant hunt - but for deer, black bear, hogs, antelope, varmints, etc - they are hard to beat. My 6.5 Grendel with the collapsable stock fits my ten yr old grand daughter - or my son who is 6’3”. All picatinny scope rings fit my PSA .300 aac or my Remington AR 15 .450 Bushmaster or Daniel Defense .308 AR 10. I can mount red dots, night lights, thermals, night vision, regular scopes - almost any optic made. I can use a five round mag for deer hunting or a 30 rd mag for hogs. The mags fit all my guns of like caliber - and some of different calibers. The same timney trigger fits every one of my rifles. I can go prairie dog hunting with a .223 during the day, and in 30 seconds, swap out the upper to a .450 bushmaster and thermal for night time hogs. Stocks, forearms, barrels, bolts, etc are largely interchangeable. I cant think of a better designed HUNTING rifle for small to medium sized game than an AR style rifle. This about sums up the beauty and versatility of a modern sporting rifle. I have a fair amount of money into my lower, in twenty seconds I can swap out the upper and have a completely different and quality rifle. I have a QD on my thermal and in 30 seconds I can take it off one upper and have it on another. I can save 5 different sight in settings on it. Typically two or three shots it's ready to go. The more people break out of their paradigms the more popular the MSM will become. A hunter can get an AR from a 17 center up and beyond a 7mm mag with about everything in between and with accuracy that will match most bolt action rifles. A thousand yard AR is not that difficult to build.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
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05/30/22 10:33 AM
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The "need" argument is probably the weakest argument to make against guns for the purposes of the second amendment. To make that argument, the assumption has to be basically a one on one duel situation, which coincidentally was legal for a long time in this country. When they say that I don't "need" an AR-15, they're correct. I don't need one... right now. But accuracy is not an accident and being proficient with a gun is a perishable skill. When the time comes that I do need one, I don't want to be scrambling to get one and wasting time learning to be proficient with one. You don't shop around and buy flood insurance when you notice water is running under your door. I won't recommend everyone get an AR... But I will recommend anyone choose the platform they are comfortable with and become proficient in its use. You can still be a peaceful person without being a harmless person. Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
Vladimir Lenin
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: charles]
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An assault weapon used in a non-military application such as hog hunting or target shooting does not remove it from its primary design and definition as an assault weapon. There are many classic military rifles that do not meet my definition of an assault weapon (Mauser 98s come to mind, even the Gaarand), but I am hard-pressed to see that AR and AK knock offs are far removed from their original purpose, which is to efficiently and quickly kill as many people as possible.
I guess those Mauser 98s and m 1 grands were not assault rifles when Hittler invaded or say when we assaulted on D day. Muskets, bows,spears, and swords were once the premier assault weapons of their day. The black powder revolvers sure could lay down the fire during the Civil war.. Your logic is flawed severely. See the above post on the versatility of the AR platform. Yes my kids hunt with them sometimes. Infact that's why o put my 300 black out together. Easy adjustment for size, compact, low recoil, low noise(suppressor equipped) and enough power to do the job even if on the lighter side.
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: seniortrap]
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Get yourselves a mess of them javelin missiles.they look like a lot of fun and besides the govt has a ton so you better catch up.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: Boco]
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Get yourselves a mess of them javelin missiles.they look like a lot of fun and besides the govt has a ton so you better catch up. We don’t need to kill the numbers those things will kill, just 600 or so would do the trick. Probably could get that done with a thousand rounds or less.
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: seniortrap]
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Your kidding yourself. if that was the case you could just drag them out into the street and beat them to death.
Last edited by Boco; 05/30/22 12:32 PM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: Boco]
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05/30/22 12:41 PM
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Your kidding yourself. if that was the case you could just drag them out into the street and beat them to death. Those terms are acceptable too. Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
Vladimir Lenin
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: Boco]
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05/30/22 12:45 PM
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Get yourselves a mess of them javelin missiles.they look like a lot of fun and besides the govt has a ton so you better catch up. Well I can't because the government infringes on my rights. The constitution says arms shall not be infringed not just gun. I would like several cased claymores to go wiith them. But I couldn't afford them anyway. As with full auto I may not have one on the first day I may need it but I will be well equipped on the 2nd day if that day ever comes.
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: Boco]
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05/30/22 12:52 PM
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Your kidding yourself. if that was the case you could just drag them out into the street and beat them to death. It’s still early.
-Goofy-
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: Providence Farm]
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05/30/22 01:57 PM
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Get yourselves a mess of them javelin missiles.they look like a lot of fun and besides the govt has a ton so you better catch up. Well I can't because the government infringes on my rights. The constitution says arms shall not be infringed not just gun. Actually, it doesn't say that. It says the RIGHT (to keep and bear) arms shall not be infringed.
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: seniortrap]
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"Second Amendment A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Who is John Galt?
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: Dirt]
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"Second Amendment A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I dont think they thought it out very well. They didnt foresee half the people of the free state being at direct odds with the other half of the people of the free state. They thought all the people would be on the same side against the government.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: No need for semi-automatic rifles?
[Re: Boco]
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"Second Amendment A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I dont think they thought it out very well. They didnt foresee half the people of the free state being at direct odds with the other half of the people of the free state. They thought all the people would be on the same side against the government. The half supporting the democrat led government have been bought. On the easy pay installment payment plan......As soon as prices get high enough, the free government money won't go as far. The recipients will revolt. Lol
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