Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
[Re: yukonjeff]
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06/22/22 03:33 PM
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Wild conspiracy theory? At this point we all need to be open to any possibilities....that is, if we learned anything in the past few years.
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
[Re: yukonjeff]
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06/22/22 03:59 PM
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There are over 36,000 food and beverage processing firms in the USA. These are the licensed ones. So if we have 100 in 1.5 years we are looking at .25% burning per year. I don't know how that number compares with the historical average percent. also not all burned down totally, but most received significant damage and production capability loss. If the infrastructure in these facilities is aging like much infrastructure in the US is aging then issues with heating, cooling systems etc. would not be surprising. Not many new facilities coming on line with high costs, very delayed construction start dates and heavy doses of regulations to plan into the facility. The beef industry is the least centralized of the major livestock and grain production enterprises but due to drought, high costs of feed and cycles that last 3-4.5 years to down size or ramp up, many don't have the liquidity to take on marginal prices with finding the needed pasture and forages for cows and backgrounding calves. The genetic research can and is rapidly developing many commodity crops like corn, beans lentals, sorghums, cotton etc. that are way more drought tolerant then just a decade ago. Pastures and forage crops like grass and forage legumes still need a lot of water per ton of dry matter and with water supplies shrinking that does not bode real well for our millions of cow and calf operations using mostly forage.
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
[Re: yukonjeff]
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I question the fact that if cattel men know about this happening , why didn't they do something to prevent it ? If it's as common as you say , why wasn't something done to prevent that many dying ? A sprinkler system , huge fans , or at least some kind of shade ? I look at it as just being another way this current government is divideing our country . Just look no farther than this post , I see division ! If it's so common , then whay did the MSM make it a big deal ? So who foots the bill for those ranchers that lost their cattel ? The government ?
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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06/22/22 04:03 PM
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Yes sir
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I question the fact that if cattel men know about this happening , why didn't they do something to prevent it ? If it's as common as you say , why wasn't something done to prevent that many dying ? A sprinkler system , huge fans , or at least some kind of shade ? I look at it as just being another way this current government is divideing our country . Just look no farther than this post , I see division ! If it's so common , then whay did the MSM make it a big deal ? So who foots the bill for those ranchers that lost their cattel ? The government ? On the scale of things it's like a home gardener tilling a big farmer suffering from drought to run a hose and sprinkler on his crop.. more and more feeders are putting up shades but it is more expensive than people understand and has to be weighed out against the return of the investment and it is a close call. Most don't understand the scale of larger cattle feeding operations.
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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I question the fact that if cattel men know about this happening , why didn't they do something to prevent it ? If it's as common as you say , why wasn't something done to prevent that many dying ? A sprinkler system , huge fans , or at least some kind of shade ? I look at it as just being another way this current government is divideing our country . Just look no farther than this post , I see division ! If it's so common , then whay did the MSM make it a big deal ? So who foots the bill for those ranchers that lost their cattel ? The government ? On the scale of things it's like a home gardener tilling a big farmer suffering from drought to run a hose and sprinkler on his crop. On one hand it is ! But you're talking feed lots that have been there for how long ? Since the 1800's ? You would think they didn't get as big as they are by acting like our government . By the way there's a post on this site about piviot irrigation also . Farmers find a way to stop losses .
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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06/22/22 04:10 PM
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Yes sir
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Wild conspiracy theory? At this point we all need to be open to any possibilities....that is, if we learned anything in the past few years. I've been called a conspiracy theorists many times before and will b again but will say that this cattle dying thing has been eye opening for me as a person on the inside looking out
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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06/22/22 04:12 PM
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Yes sir
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Guys I'm tried of arguing with those who know little but want to tell those who know, that they don't know.
Hered a condensed version of my credentials. A friend lives in the center of the area were the cattle died. He works full time in the cattle industry. He was giving me reports as the cattle were dying. My sis and brother in law sell tens of thousands of cattle directly to the feed yards out there. A guy I graze cattle for is in charge of purchasing 100s of thousands of cattle a year for 8 or 10 feed yards in Ks and Nebraska and his family owns 2 feed yards themselves. But believe what u want... im done arguing
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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06/22/22 04:22 PM
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I can’t believe some of you are so willfully ignorant and frothing at the mouth to blame some conspiracy that you are actually arguing with people who know cattle, who have working knowledge of the cattle industry, and are far and away more knowledgeable than you about what killed those cattle. It’s incredible.
It. Was. Heat. Stress. Why didn’t they do anything to prevent it? Because the cost of what it would have taken to prevent it outweighed the loss in revenue it created. A cattleman isn’t going to spend hundreds of thousands, even millions dollars building the infrastructure it would take to prevent a situation like this that may only cause them to lose a few thousand dollars once in a while. Like was mentioned earlier, many factors came together in a perfect storm to create this situation and it doesn’t happen often enough to justify the cost of the infrastructure to mitigate it.
Not only that, it was a drop in the bucket. It sounds like a lot of cattle but on the grand scale of the US cattle industry it barely moves the needle.
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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06/22/22 04:27 PM
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On one hand it is ! But you're talking feed lots that have been there for how long ? Since the 1800's ? You would think they didn't get as big as they are by acting like our government . By the way there's a post on this site about piviot irrigation also . Farmers find a way to stop losses .
That’s exactly why they didn’t build the infrastructure to prevent it, because unlike the government, ranchers won’t spend $100 to fix a $1 problem.
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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06/22/22 04:29 PM
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What I wrote about hereford and amarillo aint off the internet. Its from 4 decades of trucking. Cattle all over ca too but they dont feed them out there. Cheaper to haul calves to grain than it is grain to calves. Die offs from weather extremes are common. 10,000 head is one week of butchering at one processing plant.
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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06/22/22 04:39 PM
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the cattle and the food plants may be two different set of circumstances...always has seemed that these cattle died of heat to me....
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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06/22/22 04:43 PM
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What I wrote about hereford and amarillo aint off the internet. Its from 4 decades of trucking. Cattle all over ca too but they dont feed them out there. Cheaper to haul calves to grain than it is grain to calves. Die offs from weather extremes are common. 10,000 head is one week of butchering at one processing plant. I look at it as just being another way this current government is divideing our country . Just look no farther than this post , I see division ! If it's so common , then whay did the MSM make it a big deal ?
We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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06/22/22 04:46 PM
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Yes sir
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What I wrote about hereford and amarillo aint off the internet. Its from 4 decades of trucking. Cattle all over ca too but they dont feed them out there. Cheaper to haul calves to grain than it is grain to calves. Die offs from weather extremes are common. 10,000 head is one week of butchering at one processing plant. I look at it as just being another way this current government is divideing our country . Just look no farther than this post , I see division ! If it's so common , then whay did the MSM make it a big deal ? Is that a serious question or are u being sarcastic
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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06/22/22 05:31 PM
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Unless you were there for the autopsy you really cant say for sure. These people burning down the processing plants (and none getting caught), could easily poison a bunch of cattle and blame it on a hot summer day, and if one of the workers was in on it,or an inspector, who would know. The swamp is deep corruption everywhere.
If your repeating what the news is telling you its probably a lie, like everything else they say. The Chinaman did it with the help of crazy Joe-I read it on a right wingnut news site on the internet. So its true.
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Re: 100 Food Processing Plants Burn Down.
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Unless you were there for the autopsy you really cant say for sure. These people burning down the processing plants (and none getting caught), could easily poison a bunch of cattle and blame it on a hot summer day, and if one of the workers was in on it,or an inspector, who would know. The swamp is deep corruption everywhere.
If your repeating what the news is telling you its probably a lie, like everything else they say. X2
Till that day.....
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