Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: OregonBeaver]
#7615827
06/29/22 11:41 PM
06/29/22 11:41 PM
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Joined: Nov 2017
West Central MN
20scout
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West Central MN
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Coyote numbers seem to be down in my area. Local farmers like to hunt them mid to late winter when they don't have much else to do. Wolves have moved into this area and they have a tendency to chase off coyotes whenever they have the chance.
Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: OregonBeaver]
#7615845
06/30/22 01:15 AM
06/30/22 01:15 AM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Northern Nevada
Bob
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Northern Nevada
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In order to keep coyote populations steady there has the be a 3/5ths reduction in population every year. I have heard that when an area sees a large decline in population the remaining coyotes have bigger litters, likely due to less competition for food. All I know is everywhere I’ve lived everyone kills every coyote they can, and it never seems to make a dent.
"I have two guns, one for each of ya."
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: OregonBeaver]
#7615910
06/30/22 06:56 AM
06/30/22 06:56 AM
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Mark June
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Mark June
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Can you over trap coyotes an a area? In high density/population areas I know they rebound fast. What about in low population areas across the country? I've known a few long liners in my home state that put several hundred on the stretchers each year. When I first started trapping a few years back. I had a lot of success my first year and was hooked. Talking with these guys going into my 2nd year. I was skeptical about trapping the same areas again. They assured me that I'd catch just as many and the population wouldnt be affected. They were right, ever since that conversation tho, I've wondered if it's like that everywhere for coyotes? It's been several years since I've read Mark June's book. But I remember he had some interesting statistics in there about coyote populations. I'd like to hear some other people's thoughts and insight from their states. I've been doing this for 40+ years and agree with the majority research which is that you have to trap them hard for several years to really thin them. I do not agree with the very popular opinion now, built upon Mark Bekoff's work (animal rights biologist and VERY frequent writer) that trapping them "does little good." I trap them hard for three years and EVERY time, we win, they lose. Blessings, Mark
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: OregonBeaver]
#7615923
06/30/22 07:15 AM
06/30/22 07:15 AM
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Joined: Jan 2015
Houghton Lake, MI
strike2x
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Houghton Lake, MI
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I have trapped the same small area for several years. Every year I have taken more from that area. Partly due to experience and I believe like any wild animals, a good habitat will draw and support a constant growth. I use not only the same area but the same set locations year to year. I trap the small area due to time restrictions. Work tends to take more time than I would like. 😆
Wish I had more time to trap....
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: OregonBeaver]
#7616065
06/30/22 09:15 AM
06/30/22 09:15 AM
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Joined: Sep 2010
NC, Person Co.
QuietButDeadly
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NC, Person Co.
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Let me preface this by saying that coyotes are relatively new on the landscape in most of NC with the exception of the mountains in the western part of the state. Where I live, we started seeing coyotes around 20 years ago.
I am not a big numbers guy by any means but I have hit local populations hard the first year I trapped properties with plenty of coyote sign and great prey habitat. And based on what I have read and heard, I fully expected the population of coyotes to fill back in to sustain similar catch rates year after year as the locations have remained excellent prey habitat. But that is not what I have experienced. I have continued to trap those properties for 10 or more years now and i continue to catch a few coyotes each year. But the numbers and sign is nowhere near the level they were the first year before I started trapping them.
I have had this discussion with my local biologist and his theory is that our coyote population is not exceeding the carrying capacity of the habitat for the most part. So the coyotes on adjoining properties have adequate habitat to sustain them and there is little or no pressure for them to seek out new habitat so even ideal areas are slow to fill back in. That seems to make sense to me based on what I have experienced. There are lots of variables but it sure appears that constant pressure on on the existing populations does help keep the numbers down in my neck of the woods.
Life Member: NCTA, VTA, NTA, TTFHA, MFTI Member: FTA
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: OregonBeaver]
#7616130
06/30/22 10:20 AM
06/30/22 10:20 AM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Northern Nevada
Bob
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Northern Nevada
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On 2k acres what you’re going to see, IMO, this fall is roughly the same number of coyotes, just most of them will be young of the year coming in from dispersal around your 2k acres when momma kicks em off the teat.
"I have two guns, one for each of ya."
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: Bob]
#7616139
06/30/22 10:28 AM
06/30/22 10:28 AM
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Joined: May 2018
SW Georgia
Wanna Be
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SW Georgia
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On 2k acres what you’re going to see, IMO, this fall is roughly the same number of coyotes, just most of them will be young of the year coming in from dispersal around your 2k acres when momma kicks em off the teat. That really makes sense and it’s what I see. Most all coyotes I catch are young. Young unbred females and young males. They’ll always filter in I guess, but we don’t have coyotes running rampant on the properties.
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: Bob]
#7616420
06/30/22 04:38 PM
06/30/22 04:38 PM
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Joined: Jan 2022
Texas
Sharkhunter
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Texas
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On 2k acres what you’re going to see, IMO, this fall is roughly the same number of coyotes, just most of them will be young of the year coming in from dispersal around your 2k acres when momma kicks em off the teat. So based on other accounts on similar properties in the area the second year is half as many. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. The last three yotes I caught where very young that was end of April and May. Young coyotes should be pretty easy to trap I would think. Can’t wait for deer season to get out of the way so I can hammer them again !
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: OregonBeaver]
#7616461
06/30/22 05:40 PM
06/30/22 05:40 PM
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Joined: Sep 2020
Pennsylvania
patrapperbuster
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Pennsylvania
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Here in PA we have a healthy population of trappers & hunters going after coyotes. We still have an over-abundance of coyotes
TILL THAT DAY.....
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: OregonBeaver]
#7616512
06/30/22 06:41 PM
06/30/22 06:41 PM
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Joined: Aug 2015
NE NE
Wife
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NE NE
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With respect to everyone's opinion, I'm sure they are all correct in their assessments. I try to look at things from a biological view and not just a HARVEST view point. As stated : when habitat and land use remains fairly stable, and the items of food, cover and water are in the same relative landscape position & amounts, then a person can expect an animal density to be as high (or low) as it was previously. Throw in Ma Nature's handiwork (disease, drought, easy or tough winters, floods, competitors etc.,) and then humanity's interference (bulldozers, concrete, logging, intense row cropping etc., set aside programs) and the population #'s respond to Mr. Darwin's Law (adapt or perish). Now everyone here focused on the HARVEST question as their assumptions were based on immigration in and the natural fecundity and fertility of the remaining individuals. My training and observations lead me to want to know a little more about the area, county(s), region before a HARVEST question like this can be answered. A land area may support X amount of coyotes per square foot, meter, acre, mile etc. If removing X number during HARVEST season is the habitat stable? Are there enough remaining individuals to maximize that habitat usage? Are the surrounding areas producing migrants to immigrate in? And is Ma Nature and mankind playing their games during less critical times of the year than puppy time? You can use all the algorithms and programs you want on a keyboard but "from my side of the fence" a scent post survey taken every month for 1 week, from July to October 1st , tells more about a population density than anything else I've seen. Its (biological) old fashioned scouting during the rearing time for your "CROP". Most of us can't manage the time for something this complex but a few game cams selectively placed would be an easy baseline to get started. Tom Krause wrote a very good article (from a Trapper's standpoint) about the very best habitat areas (quality) will always draw animals from lesser (quality) areas due to Darwin's Law. I guess this old man (me) has seen (and lived through) a few armchair opinions/predictions hit dead on but I couldn't get close to answering upcoming HARVEST questions w/o some type of field data (i.e. How many muskrats in that house - duh - How big is the house?). My take on it. .................... the mike
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: OregonBeaver]
#7620061
07/05/22 05:25 PM
07/05/22 05:25 PM
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Joined: Aug 2011
Peoria County Illinois
Larry Baer
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Peoria County Illinois
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More move in to take the losers spots. Hit them hard every time.
One thing i always thought interesting is that you can kill of the locals and the new ones always seem to move right in to the old neighborhood and set up house in the same spot.
When they stop hearing the neighbors they go and check it out and sometimes they move right on over.
Just passin through
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Re: Coyotes repopulating an area
[Re: OregonBeaver]
#7620118
07/05/22 07:09 PM
07/05/22 07:09 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Wisconsin
Green Bay
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Wisconsin
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I think what it takes to bring down the numbers is an all out coyote war year round. Buffalo county, WI is known nationwide as a mecca for deer hunting. That being said there is some great habitat which can hold a lot of coyotes. However, there never seem to be that many around. Why? Farmers in the area run them hard in the winter as others have mentioned. trappers are out after them, turkey hunters shoot them when they come across them, small game hunters shoot at them. predator callers call all winter. Basically anybody who has weapon is going to shoot at them whenever they are seen.
It really makes a difference.
Author of The Lure Hunter: A Guide to Finding Fishing Lures
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