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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642897
08/05/22 12:45 PM
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That is true.

I still think Ali could've taken Tyson. But I guess we'll never know. LOL

I guess I like you're goal, killing coyotes is all about killing coyotes.

I tend to overthink it and want to peek over folks shoulder and pick apart what the finer details of a good set are.


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: Wanna Be] #7642912
08/05/22 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Guess I misunderstood the assignment, lol. Thought y’all wanted it as a competition.

Killing large # of coyotes would do just that ! LoL ! BUT we all have our on opinions on way makes a contest a contest. And thats fine with me. We all have different likes and dislikes. We all have different ways and methods. I personally like the idea of = go somewhere. Make it worth the landowners time For having the contest. Kill lots of coyotes. Have BIG cash prize!!!!! But thats my dream contest. May be not yours. But mine LOL!!!

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642930
08/05/22 01:07 PM
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Don't think it would be too hard. Just do the same rules as the coyote trapping competition they had in the rez.
Think it was something like one day to scout and make sets ( not place traps, punch holes ect) . No snaring the fence, must be back by a certain time for count or the days catch will be forfeit for that person and no stealing anyone's catch o and no calling I think .. other then that from my understanding it was wide open in if you could outwork the next guy then it just was what it was

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642943
08/05/22 01:13 PM
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Seems quite reasonable. Save the finer detail limited for a tie breaker if need be.


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642972
08/05/22 01:49 PM
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Guys I see how this thread got started from another thread. My question is what was the guidelines to the contest that no longer takes place? Maybe some guidelines could be established if we knew what theres were. Not saying you have to follow them. Just something to go by.

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7643017
08/05/22 02:41 PM
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So if there ever is a Tman coyote competition on a big ranch how would it be an equal playing field considering the population isn't the same on the entire ranch? Or to we just take off like a flock of quail and fight for the best locations LOL?? 100 traps limit would make things interesting; I'll even use urine LOL... An unexploited population would be awesome.


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7643068
08/05/22 04:07 PM
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Pretty sure the coyote championship, it had to be all footholds and a judge looked for trap marks on the feet. Everyone left the same time everyday and had to be back by a set time or you get DQ'd for the day unlrss you had extenuating circumstances like a truck breakdown.

Trap limit does make sense as a guy could just run his own sets then start scouting the competition adding traps on top of the other guys.

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7643150
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Have it up north in winter-separate the men from the boys-big country up there-the snareman would take it.

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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: Boco] #7643351
08/05/22 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Have it up north in winter-separate the men from the boys-big country up there-the snareman would take it.

I dont think It would be a good idea for some of this crew To try to cross an International boarder! LOL !!

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7643388
08/05/22 10:23 PM
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Probably scare the manchild trudope into doing something stupid.


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: steeltraps] #7643465
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Originally Posted by Boco
Have it up north in winter-separate the men from the boys-big country up there-the snareman would take it.

I dont think It would be a good idea for some of this crew To try to cross an International boarder! LOL !!

You dont have to go that far.


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7644745
08/07/22 07:57 PM
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I've trapped both sides of the border

( not that this is what this thread is about )

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7644749
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Originally Posted by LT GREY
I've trapped both sides of the border

( not that this is what this thread is about )

I'm peeing on this reply! Lol (LT don't get too offended please!)


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7650613
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...this thread is about urine. It was just a bad joke.


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7651175
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Trappers use of urine at a set is not about duplicating what an animal does naturally but as a fear eliminater. An animal smells anothers odor & makes it feel safer about approaching


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: patrapperbuster] #7651238
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Originally Posted by patrapperbuster
Trappers use of urine at a set is not about duplicating what an animal does naturally but as a fear eliminater. An animal smells anothers odor & makes it feel safer about approaching

That would be my theory also based of watching coyotes reactions to urine on video

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7651882
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Based on that. . .let's dump a gallon of urine in a garden sprayer and adjust the nozzle to 'mist' and cover the entire area 5ft X 5 ft

Now, as strange and unnatural as that may seem. . .I've done that plenty of times.



What happens when an animal is trapped ?
It urinates and (often defecates) and spreads it all around as it digs, so the urine odor is all over that entire (trap) circle.
So, the area where the animal was trapped, often reeks of urine.
What's the difference ?

Well , to answer that, it's body odor, period.
Now, want to duplicate that ?

Here's a simple trick I use :

Skin a coyote, then take the entire hide and soak it in a clean bucket of rainwater, overnight.
The water now reeks of coyote !
Pour it into a 'garden sprayer' , turn the nozzle to mist, and spray the entire set area.

* to concentrate this odor : freeze the water, then turn it upside down and allow the 'funk' to drain leaving the 'ice' behind. . .

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7651898
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Back when we were kids, the old timers told us to wash our hands with fox urine before making a set. All we used back then was a pine cone soaked in fox urine down a hole. We’d use the classic V with logs and brush piled up on the point covering the hole. We didn’t have coyotes back then, or at least not many. When we were done with a set it reeked of fox urine. And yeah, we caught coons, fox, and bobcats of those sets regularly. How? I don’t have a clue because we’d make our pans so lose if a mouse hopped across it then it would snap. Keep in mind we were about 12 or so too, lol.

Typing that made me realize I haven’t made a set like that since those days. Just for old times sake I just might. The wife might forbid me from coming inside if I wash my hands in fox pee though.

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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: Wanna Be] #7651920
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Back when we were kids, the old timers told us to wash our hands with fox urine before making a set. All we used back then was a pine cone soaked in fox urine down a hole. We’d use the classic V with logs and brush piled up on the point covering the hole. We didn’t have coyotes back then, or at least not many. When we were done with a set it reeked of fox urine. And yeah, we caught coons, fox, and bobcats of those sets regularly. How? I don’t have a clue because we’d make our pans so lose if a mouse hopped across it then it would snap. Keep in mind we were about 12 or so too, lol.

Typing that made me realize I haven’t made a set like that since those days. Just for old times sake I just might. The wife might forbid me from coming inside if I wash my hands in fox pee though.

Lol, that made me giggle!


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7653856
08/20/22 08:56 AM
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Here's another funny story for you then. . .


Years ago, at the NTA show, an old timer would have a bottle that you couldn't see through, and inside the bottle was plain water.

When young kids would come up to his booth at a convention, he would ask them if they wanted to smell what real high-quality urine smells like.
Some would say ''Yes".
He would then open the cap and extend the bottle toward them, so they could smell it. . .but what they didn't know, is he had rubbed his index finger with 'spiked' fox urine and the kids were actually smelling the scent on the top of the finger that held the bottle, NOT what was inside.

They would always recoil of course, with a curled lip
He would then say, that if you really wanted to know how good the urine was, you should take a sip. . .to which he would put the bottle to his lip, using the other hand and take a drink. . .

Those kids eyes would be as big as saucers !

He sold a lot of pints of urine !
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