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Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658220
08/25/22 08:18 PM
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I have two 870's, one from the late 1960's and one about 15 years old. Have the same problem with both of them: they will not cycle buckshot up from the magazine. Birdshot is no problem, shoot, pump and shoot again. Buckshot is a problem, shoot pump and click, shell either stays in magazine or drops out the bottom. I have taken them apart many times, cleaned them and reassembled still not work. Have had both to 2 different gunsmiths, they replaced different parts and still no fix. The newer gun I have never shot slugs thru but the older 870 will not cycle them either.

Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658230
08/25/22 08:32 PM
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Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: eric space] #7658231
08/25/22 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by eric space
I have two 870's, one from the late 1960's and one about 15 years old. Have the same problem with both of them: they will not cycle buckshot up from the magazine. Birdshot is no problem, shoot, pump and shoot again. Buckshot is a problem, shoot pump and click, shell either stays in magazine or drops out the bottom. I have taken them apart many times, cleaned them and reassembled still not work. Have had both to 2 different gunsmiths, they replaced different parts and still no fix. The newer gun I have never shot slugs thru but the older 870 will not cycle them either.

even different brands of buckshot ?
that seems very strange is it 2 3/4 buck in a 3 inch chamber?

this sounds like high recoiling loads jump the shell stop

as a test load a trap load in the chamber and a round of buck then a trap/target load in the tube so that the buck will be the last round out if it cycles trap , trap , buck then try trap , trap , buck ,trap and see if that last round of trap won't feed. I would figure it being more likely to be the round after a high recoiling load.


if you load it full then cycle all the rounds out on the ground (not shooting )does it cycle them all fine ?

when you load rounds in the tube do you push them in a half inch or so past the stop then let them come back ?

do other people have the same problem when they shoot the guns ?


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Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658235
08/25/22 08:42 PM
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Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658250
08/25/22 09:06 PM
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REM 870 wingmaster. Had 3 barrels and had a hasting barrel.that was before screw in chokes. Hunted everything with it. Wore it out and then purchased a browning A 500. Worst gun they ever made. Shot it to pieces in 10 years. Was a waterfowl hunter. Got all my money back from Browning looking back I wore the tool out but browning stood behind it then got a Beretta silver mallard that one of my grandkids will get but I would have to say the 870 was close to being the best pump I ever owned.

Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658260
08/25/22 09:29 PM
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Well thank to Wanna Be for correcting my mixup on the manufacturer. I edited my earlier post. It shows how little I like the gun.

The gray Beretta Extrema wins the butt ugly club stock award. It may be reliable, but so is a rock. I bought the gun as suggested by my adult son who has one. He said it is the best shotgun ever made. Well I have never “bonded” with the gun. For waterfowl hunting my 1100 does the job nicely and looks good with a black lab.

My son said this gun is so reliable it never needs cleaning. Then I hunted most of a season without cleaning it. My son said I was neglecting a great gun. One day while standing in knee deep water with my lab I told my son that I decided to clean my shotgun. Then I dunked it and swished it around in the water. Poured out the excess and said there it is clean! He gagged about my disdain for the gun.

My Ruger Red Label is the ultimate for pheasant hunting.

However without a lab I have no interest in hunting either waterfowl or pheasants. A garage full of decoys, blinds and other gear sits idle. After 35 years of black labs I cannot get used to life without them. A muzzle nudging my hand and a tail thumping against my leg is always missing.


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Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Mack] #7658263
08/25/22 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mack
I can't say for sure if it's the best shotgun ever made but I really like my old Model 31 Remington.


Ha, I was going to make the same reply figuring mine would be the only one.

My Remington model 31 20 gauge pump's been shooting true for 90+ years now.

Only shotgun I've owned since I was 10 years old. Love it so much I never even considered shopping for another one.

Until the past year, when 20ga ammo became scarce. Been debating between buying another Rem model 31 in 12 gauge or branching out and buying a Win model 12, which the Rem 31 was modeled after.


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Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658274
08/25/22 09:41 PM
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Shot huge crow roost flyways for years where shotguns are truly punished on high volume 500 + bird shoots, and just one of these shoots will provide more feedback than most will see in a lifetime of waterfowl hunting.


Did you ever shoot Fort Cobb, OK?

Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Dirty D] #7658277
08/25/22 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
Originally Posted by charles
I like Rem1100s. Especially like the LT 20 I got for my grandson.


I had a LT20 1100, nice gun, was very dependable but as far as a 20 ga light weight, it isn't, its a pig.


I shot one a few times, it was extremely picky on feeding factory ammo. If the crimp end of the shell was not perfect in every way it would fail to cycle and become a single shot. Pretty frustrating on when shooting doves.


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Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: gman] #7658285
08/25/22 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gman
Shot huge crow roost flyways for years where shotguns are truly punished on high volume 500 + bird shoots, and just one of these shoots will provide more feedback than most will see in a lifetime of waterfowl hunting.


Did you ever shoot Fort Cobb, OK?


No Sir... But did shoot the remnant flocks of the Ft. Cobb roost in nearby areas...As you probably know, Ft.Cobb peaked in the 60's & 70's before the roost was broke up, and the crows relocated.

My midwest crow shooting partner hunted the Ft. Cobb roost many times and said you had to get out 20 miles from the roost because the birds were so darn wild.

Also said the crows would come back into the roost very high, then circle directly downward to avoid hunters shooting just outside the roost.

Ft. Cobb was a heckuva spot while it lasted.


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Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658292
08/25/22 10:23 PM
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Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658326
08/25/22 11:36 PM
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I love my Benelli Super Black Eagle. I have used and abused it and it keeps ticking. Gotta shoot em dry when it's cold though!

Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658330
08/25/22 11:41 PM
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Dad had a Remington Model 31 in 12ga. You could literally hold down the release with one finger and push the gun up and pull it back down quick with one hand to eject the spent shell and reload a new one in the chamber. I wish I still had that gun. It was full choke and none of them wussy butt pads.

Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658401
08/26/22 06:37 AM
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Fun thread,.

The only surprising answer that kept coming up was the model 12.

Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658402
08/26/22 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Fun thread,.

The only surprising answer that kept coming up was the model 12.

I don't know how long the model 12 was made, but there is a lot of them out there. I know a guy that has a safe full of them in various gauges and grades. Some of them he uses and some are pretty rare and I assume valuable collector guns.

Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Nessmuck] #7658419
08/26/22 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
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1956 JC Higgens Model 20 ….made by High Standard. Smoothest action out there.



I have a huge ziploc bag full of those that are scraped out for parts.


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658431
08/26/22 07:26 AM
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I have a Winchester Model 140. I got it for Christmas a month before I turned 12 years old. I remember being a little disappointed because my best friend got a Remington 1100 that same Christmas. I look back now and realize I was lucky to get that because we were POOR!
I have shot just about everything in Georgia with that 12ga. I still have it and take it out once maybe twice a season and shoot doves with it. I did buy me an aftermarket choke for it and my best hunt last year was 15 dove with 23 shells. After the hunt she’s always cleaned up and put back in the safe. I’m 54 now and got it when I was 11, she’s been a good one!

Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: ~ADC~] #7658440
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Dad had a Remington Model 31 in 12ga. You could literally hold down the release with one finger and push the gun up and pull it back down quick with one hand to eject the spent shell and reload a new one in the chamber. I wish I still had that gun. It was full choke and none of them wussy butt pads.


Years ago I remember hearing that the Mod. 31 was sometimes called the "Ball Bearing Repeater" because the action was so smooth and worked so easily.

Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7658543
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When my dad passed, he owned 5 shotguns. His original model 31 in 16 gauge with full choke.......and four 1100's. He bought the first 1100 when I came along and needed a shotgun.......so 31 was issued to me. I later moved up to my grandfather's Win 24.........and got pretty good with that.......at age 15, came home one day with 2 frozen turkeys won at a turkey shoot. Last guy that missed won a turkey. That was me.......twice in three tries. But a 28 inch barrels full and mod is not a close quarters quail gun. Found that out one day when a quail I shot hit the ground in 2 pieces. Front half......and back half. So upgraded to the one and only shotgun i ever bought........an 870 Wingmaster. That was 50 years ago, and haven't needed anything else since.

I'm not sure if this applies to others, but in my experience, if you are a pump gun guy, you are a pump gun guy. I started with that 31, so pumping is as natural to me as breathing....as is catching the empty to put in my vest pocket to reload. To me, shooting an auto is distracting. I pause to think about it, then resume thinking about what targets are left. With a pump......it is a reflex action. My eye and thought never breaks from the targets. Same for shooting a double with two triggers. Switching triggers is a reflex you never think about.......as is selection of first shot to begin with. If target is at full choke range.........you instinctively go to the back trigger.

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Re: Best shotgun ever made? [Re: tomahawker] #7658569
08/26/22 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tomahawker
Cannot believe you sold the Jeffrey, in 28 gauge no less!

Just out of curiosity, I checked Guns International to see if they might have a listing for a Jeffery in 28 gauge. They do. Same gun I owned but with 28" tubes, mine had 27" barrels. $14,995.00.

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