Well I went out an put 60 more rounds through the rifle this afternoon, the accuracy improved over what it exhibited the other day, I only shot the S&B ball ammo today and the average for 5 shot groups at 100 was 3.5 inches whereas the first set of groups were almost 6. It still had 7 stoppages all FTF/FTE. It still hits me in the face with ejected brass if no brass catcher is used. I am up to 120 rounds through the rifle now so I am in Rugers 100 to 200 round break in range, we will see how it works out. I didn't take any good ammo with me today to test, I wanted to get a few more break in rounds before I shot good ammo for groups again.

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Lol , me included. Might have a spot in the gun safe just for this rifle

Guess I'm in the minority, this rifle doesn't do anything for me at all. To each their own.

It wouldn't if you don't like the AR platform. I don't like the lack of power in an AR 15, I don't like having more involved cleaning vs bolt guns or single shots. But they are useful in the proper application. For example my youngest son at 7 was very recoil sensitive. So I assembled an 8.5" 300 black out with suppressor for him. It adjusted to fit him well and has little recoil and makes a good 100 yard deer gun.

AR 10s are just a bit to big and heave so I never bought one. The above rife appears to be the susz of an AR 15 but with real rifle punch. It's still an ugly AR platform gun and you won't automatically decide you like them now if you didn't to start with. But even for me whom is not a big AR platform fan find this rifle very interesting if I start reading they can get them to achieve acceptable accuracy. So far they are failing that and it's the most important part. Especially since most AR-15 I have shot are very accuracy.

Providence Farm, I plan on continuing to post what I experience with the rifle I have at least until I am past the 200 round break in period, if it hasn't straightened out by then it will probably go on down the road. Hopefully GreenCountyPete will post the results they get from their rifle when they have a chance to shoot it. Because obviously a sample size of 1 is not very relevant as to potential of the design 2 really isn't either but if theirs is remarkably better we can just say mine was not a good example, of course I guess we could also say theirs was an exceptional example, but I am sure more tests will be popping up shortly. Most of the reviews I have watched have not provided any useful information other than going over the specs of the rifle, and then they shoot at steel or just shoot with no indication of what they are shooting at or the results. One review showed the reviewer shooting a group but no information as to what the range was.

I have no need for a gun like that, however it's not always a question of need.

Please do keep me updated. I will add my youngest that was recoil sensitive was the first one in line to fire the 50 bmg that was out at my range this summer. He also shot the 338 Lapa and 4 machine guns but none of the mg were larger than 5.56. He was 9 then just turned 10.

Had I not got him on a low recoil quiet gun to start he may not be such a firearms enthusiasts now. Bet the you don't need an AR 15 croud never thought about that.

You are right, I started my daughter shooting centerfire rifles with an AR-15 carbine with a collapsable stock and a very nice trigger. This enabled us to adjust the rifle to fit her rather than her trying to use a rifle that was way to big for her, plus the 6 pound rifle was easy for her to manage and obviously had no noticeable recoil. I think to many people think it is funny to put their child out there with an adult sized rifle often in a heavy recoiling caliber with no hearing protection and laugh when they experience the shot and then can't understand when the child is actually old enough to learn to shoot why they want nothing to do with it.

I hate it when people ruin kids and women like that makes you want to , well draw blood from their face with a blunt object.

especially young women who have never shot anything can be Incredible students , they have Zero bad habits formed yet , a blank canvas with which to train.

I had a young lady 16 come to the 4-H pistol clinic several years ago very first time ever handling a handgun we checked eye dominance and then worked on grip and trigger squeeze , she wanted to work her grip down the gun but it showed on the target and as soon as we corrected it she was making hits.
sight alignment and sight picture

she went from a first magazine being all over a 10 inch target sheet at 10 yards to ringing a 10 inch plate at 60 meters mag after mag.

22lr pistol

Carried M16A2s, M16A4s, M4s with 203 Grenade launchers for 12 years in the Marine Corps, two combat tours in Iraq. Doesn't change my opinion on this. I've got a Daniel Defense upper sitting here in the box for the past year and a half, no interest in finishing the build. Just not the platform that interests me anymore.

Well, I detail cleaned the rifle today, and took the bolt carrier assembly apart to check for carbon build up and to lube everything as I moved into the next phase of the break in. The bolt was surprisingly clean and the residue on it just wiped off, a nice surprise there the carbon on the firing pin also just wiped off so what ever they are coated with doesn't allow the carbon to stick. Now the negative, when I went to reassemble the rifle, the hole for the firing pin retaining pin is not beveled on the outside or inside of the bolt carrier, while this was easy enough to overcome on the outside it required a pick to be able to compress the legs of the pin on the inside of the bolt carrier to get it to go back into the hole. While this is not a big deal on the work bench it is frustrating because that is a small thing that would save a lot of aggravation and every other AR bolt carrier I have ever encountered has been so beveled.

Sneaky I understand that. It not my preference either just another club in the golf bag with other clubs being preferred more. The only reason I still have my AR in 5.56 is becuse my wife bought it for me years ago. Not that it has many of those part left on it still but I couldn't sell a gift from my wife.

That is the type of thing that could get a guy in a real jam in the field. Thanks for the critique.



Same here. Ran thousands of rounds through the old M16A1. Never liked it, never trusted it. You just knew it was going to malfunction when you really needed it.

I have had difficult firing pin retaining pins even in ar-15 bcg , this may help

I'm with Sneaky.
If I wanted another gun for deer hunting I'm looking for a bolt action or single shot.
I don't see the need and the complexity of a semi auto for a one shot type of hunting.

Now a semi auto shotgun for rabbits, ducks, pheasant, grouse and geese makes sense to me.

I think it shows very poor taste to show up in a corn filed with a semi-auto for such a majestic bird as a pheasant

it is all about differences in deer hunting you see it simply as a one shot and done one tag to fill

I am ready to start using fingers on the other hand to count the number of times I shot 2 in a couple seconds and they all came with semi autos the first with a 1100 slug gun

I also see a lot of running deer although not as many as I used to because we simply do fewer drives , sometimes like a flying bird you miss but with a follow up shot that lets you stay on the animal let it go 2 strides and then roll it.
I have lost count of the number of second shot deer now arguably some of them didn't need a second or even third shot so a bit of meat was sacrificed some times it has been basically shot on shot both fatal once it was shot on shot on shot it was 3 in about the side of a softball size group that deer was simply running with out heart or lungs it fell in a few more yards yes I was using enough gun those were 3 rounds of 30-06.

it isn't just us doing fewer drives everyone is doing fewer drives and the population shows it.

if you have the tags , the population is much too high , and the land owners are all saying kill as many as you can and you have homes for all that you could kill , then why not have more rounds on tap and take doubles, maybe even a triple some day ?

I exhibit very poor taste then because I carry a semiautomatic for all manner of upland hunting. It just never made any sense to me to lug around 2 barrels when I can only shoot one at a time. I do have the good sense to carry a 20 or a 28 depending upon quarry. LOL.

I'm proud of you for the choice of sub gauges anyway