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Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7691941
10/14/22 12:17 AM
10/14/22 12:17 AM
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So cheating in any other venue with amounts well into felony level is a crime but not this?

What's next letting folks off based on what politics they play?

The law is the law and applies equally to all.

Now if you wish to argue the severity of potential sentencing we may have a discussion. I for one think no one should ever be stripped of their rights save for term of incarceration/sentence or treason. I would consider a violation of oath to the Constitution to be the same as treason.

Pretrial seizure? I'm sure we could go there as well. IMO only items seizable should be only evidence of the crime for only the duration of the trial. I've never agreed with taking a poachers guns and truck, especially pretrial/conviction.


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Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7691960
10/14/22 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Big Bob, exactly, handled in house. Warrior no. It's not about separating facts from fun as you say. It's about cheating while fishing can cost you a lifetime sentence of no guns and no voting.

Rex, no. They took the boat before charges, look it up.

The libtards won't care about non violent crimes, they already forgive and refuse to prosecute non violent crimes like dope and, stealing.
They only focus on firearms.


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Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7691973
10/14/22 05:13 AM
10/14/22 05:13 AM
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What do fish have to do with anything but being deep fried or pan fried.

Fry 'em!

Blessings!
Mark

Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7692001
10/14/22 06:27 AM
10/14/22 06:27 AM
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It's a felony they tried to steal thousands of dollars.

Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7692004
10/14/22 06:31 AM
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i think they racked up multiple high dollar jackpots & the idea is they been at it all along. multi million dollar winnings when totaled up.

Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: nh toe pincher] #7692010
10/14/22 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
i think they racked up multiple high dollar jackpots & the idea is they been at it all along. multi million dollar winnings when totaled up.



Yet they cannot prove cheating on one. So can't be in trouble on the others...

So far as I see it they didn't break any game laws so don't see how they legally took their gear. Hamer them for fraud seemed about as fare as they should be able to go. What ever the max that they could get for that.

Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7692015
10/14/22 06:50 AM
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How come Brady and Bill ain’t in jail or all them nascar teams?

How much money did they steal from others?

Might as well have gone in their houses and taken it out of a safe.


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Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Providence Farm] #7692022
10/14/22 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
i think they racked up multiple high dollar jackpots & the idea is they been at it all along. multi million dollar winnings when totaled up.



Yet they cannot prove cheating on one. So can't be in trouble on the others...

So far as I see it they didn't break any game laws so don't see how they legally took their gear. Hamer them for fraud seemed about as fare as they should be able to go. What ever the max that they could get for that.

so the lawyers will give a jury reasonable doubt & they'll walk on all the other charges except the ones they were caught red handed on.

Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: ~ADC~] #7692032
10/14/22 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Catch you can't win here, but I see what you are saying. Some crimes are over prosecuted and are under prosecuted. FWIW I think there is an appropriate punishment for want they did , and they should receive that punishment. I'm not sure, like you, that this is the right punishment. I have a problem with taking guns from non-violent offenders.

This^^^

Lose the boat and Gear associated with That tournament...even loss of Fishing for 10 years and never allowed to fish money tournaments. But to punish by removing the right to own firearms?
Nope! That's blatant overreach.


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Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: nh toe pincher] #7692040
10/14/22 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
i think they racked up multiple high dollar jackpots & the idea is they been at it all along. multi million dollar winnings when totaled up.


LOL I think you have waaaaay toooo high opinion of what walleye tournaments pay.

Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7692041
10/14/22 07:44 AM
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The local grocery store owner caught a guy going out the front door with steaks stashed in a bag. Called the cops and they wouldn't file charges as he didn't steal the meat since he was caught at the door. They did charge the guy for kicking the store owner in the nuts when he confronted him though.
It seems that the dollar amount involved makes the decision, not the attempted crime.
If cops stop you and you have a large amount of cash they take your money if you can't show how you got it. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't figure in anymore. They don't have to prove you guilty......you have to prove yourself innocent. They just don't want you to have the money.


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Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7692047
10/14/22 07:49 AM
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The commit fraud which is a financial crime Jeff. Don't let the fact that they did it at a fishing tournament lead you to believe they are good ol boys never meaning no harm.

If I were to be caught up in any type of fraud, I would lose my adjusters license and my sole ability to make a loving at my age with a heart condition so I am ok with throwing the book at them.


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Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Gary Benson] #7692049
10/14/22 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
The local grocery store owner caught a guy going out the front door with steaks stashed in a bag. Called the cops and they wouldn't file charges as he didn't steal the meat since he was caught at the door. They did charge the guy for kicking the store owner in the nuts when he confronted him though.
It seems that the dollar amount involved makes the decision, not the attempted crime.
If cops stop you and you have a large amount of cash they take your money if you can't show how you got it. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't figure in anymore. They don't have to prove you guilty......you have to prove yourself innocent. They just don't want you to have the money.

More than that, the PD gets to keep it!!


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Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7692061
10/14/22 08:04 AM
10/14/22 08:04 AM
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They were fishing and put fish fillets inside another fish. The DNR is assuming those fillets were caught that day. The DNR will send those fillets to a lab to be tested for time of death, type, age and how many of each. Now the anglers will have to prove otherwise and that those fillets were from fish taken of legal size or were store bought frozen. It is against the law to dismember your fish while fishing rendering them unrecognizable or tell their true length. The reason for this is to keep anglers from filleting undersized fish, fish of different species and claiming they are something legal. This is why the DNR is involved.To me, I'd say they tried to cheat and must now suffer the consequences. Break a DNR law and all penalties apply.

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Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7692073
10/14/22 08:20 AM
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unless they roll over on one another, nothing will happen except DNR fines.

Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: BernieB.] #7692077
10/14/22 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
i think they racked up multiple high dollar jackpots & the idea is they been at it all along. multi million dollar winnings when totaled up.


LOL I think you have waaaaay toooo high opinion of what walleye tournaments pay.

ill find a link to show you when i get time. its more than you think apparently....

Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: BernieB.] #7692080
10/14/22 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
i think they racked up multiple high dollar jackpots & the idea is they been at it all along. multi million dollar winnings when totaled up.


LOL I think you have waaaaay toooo high opinion of what walleye tournaments pay.

Some pay in the tens of thousands on the east shore of lake Erie during the summer. There are tournaments almost every week. Boats, electronics and big cash.


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Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7692089
10/14/22 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
Originally Posted by BernieB.


LOL I think you have waaaaay toooo high opinion of what walleye tournaments pay.

ill find a link to show you when i get time. its more than you think apparently....


Well, let's start with this: no one on the planet has directed and run more walleye tournaments than I have. So there's that. I have a pretty good handle on these situations, including catching cheaters in a tournament. Been there, done that.

Secondly, the first prize in this event was about $28,000. Not sure if their weight would have given them first place or not. It's possibly the largest payout event they have fished in.

Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Turtledale] #7692092
10/14/22 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Turtledale
Originally Posted by BernieB.


LOL I think you have waaaaay toooo high opinion of what walleye tournaments pay.

Some pay in the tens of thousands on the east shore of lake Erie during the summer. There are tournaments almost every week. Boats, electronics and big cash.


I have fished in several tournaments on Lake Erie and I have directed quite a few. The largest one I ran on Lake Erie, the winners received two new boats worth $80,000. Your idea of big cash is one thing, but there's no way that there is "multi-millions" involved.

Re: What is your take on this, seriously. [Re: Catch22] #7692095
10/14/22 08:54 AM
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Bottom line: The federal Gun Control Act of 1968 stipulates that it is unlawful for any person to possess a firearm "who has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year." In practice, that means any crime that is deemed a felony.

If they are convicted, they will likely lose their rights to possess a firearm under federal law, at the very least, not because they cheated in a fishing contest but because they were convicted of grand larceny, which in Ohio is a 4th degree felony and is punishable by 6 to 18 months in prison. It could have been an apple pie baking contest with a prize of $7,500...in Ohio.

So, if you're going to cheat in a fishing contest, just make sure the prize value will only carry a misdemeanor charge if you're caught. But here's a better idea. Don't cheat!

Note: I'm not a lawyer. I just play one when I'm avoiding real work that needs to be done.

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