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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: boncoon] #7699953
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Originally Posted by boncoon
Don't know what is going on, local Walmart has more canning supplies than all spring and summer.



From what I've been seeing , the jars and lids are failing at a very high percentage.
Have heard lids are made in China ( not very sure about that ) hard to find where made on anything any more.


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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Chancey] #7699955
10/24/22 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Chancey
Good post Finster. I tried those white lids last year canning a bunch of 1lb deer cubes in pint jars. I had a lot of failures. I liked the idea of the multiple use, but am now skeptical of them. I may have done something wrong, but my mom was helping me and she's been canning for over 65 years. Not sure what we did wrong.

This is another good resource that should be in all of our homes........

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show...ausage-making-how-to-cure-hams-shoulders



The fact your Mama has been canning for so long may be why you had problems. Those reusable lids are NOT used the same way as normal lids. Your mama likely canned them like she always did, fingertip tight, put them in and process, take them out and let them cool and don't dare touch them for 24 hours.... which is the exact WRONG way to use reusable lids.

With the reusable lids, you tighten then fingertip tight then back it off a little, so they're looser than fingertip tight. Process them and then as SOON as you take them out, tighten them up... which goes against everything long time canners consider gospel.


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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7700000
10/24/22 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
Originally Posted by boncoon
Don't know what is going on, local Walmart has more canning supplies than all spring and summer.



From what I've been seeing , the jars and lids are failing at a very high percentage.
Have heard lids are made in China ( not very sure about that ) hard to find where made on anything any more.



I heard China is trying to put an end to our ability to preserve food via canning by producing lids that won’t seal. And if that’s not enough, the government is going to outlaw it all together!

Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700002
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
[quote=Wanna Be][quote=run]I no longer care about the USDA. Just another guberment agency.

Well the fact that you can go to any store and buy food and go home and eat it and not die says otherwise. Without them we’d probably be shopping like the third world countries with flys on the food hanging in the sun on the streets.[/quot

All them agencies are goberemit run USDA CDC hospital and doctors but the next post about them on this sight 90 percent or morewillbe praising them. All cats from the same litter.

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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: yotetrapper30] #7700016
10/25/22 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by Chancey
Good post Finster. I tried those white lids last year canning a bunch of 1lb deer cubes in pint jars. I had a lot of failures. I liked the idea of the multiple use, but am now skeptical of them. I may have done something wrong, but my mom was helping me and she's been canning for over 65 years. Not sure what we did wrong.

This is another good resource that should be in all of our homes........

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show...ausage-making-how-to-cure-hams-shoulders



The fact your Mama has been canning for so long may be why you had problems. Those reusable lids are NOT used the same way as normal lids. Your mama likely canned them like she always did, fingertip tight, put them in and process, take them out and let them cool and don't dare touch them for 24 hours.... which is the exact WRONG way to use reusable lids.

With the reusable lids, you tighten then fingertip tight then back it off a little, so they're looser than fingertip tight. Process them and then as SOON as you take them out, tighten them up... which goes against everything long time canners consider gospel.



I have no knowlege of them personally , so can't say , just know the lids are not what they used to be.
Just glad I got lucky and did what I did years ago.

Will say even that process seems strange , as food can get under the lids easier.
The idea is to let steam and air out , but keep the food in , that's why you tighten the rings to finger tight.
Never use rubber rings for seals , like with the glass lids with a bail lock, or the zink lids .
So can't say anything about them.
All I know as fact is that the lids of today aren't what they used to be.
Have around a 700 jars from years of collecting them.
99% Are old jars , only a few from the last 10 years are younger than 20 years old.
Fact of the mater still stands , like the OP seems they don't want us to preserve food any more.
Makes you wonder what's in canned goods from the store.


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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700030
10/25/22 01:04 AM
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I've watched this guy's videos and the sky is falling in most of them

Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700116
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Does the USDA actually have the power to just ban a long standing and widely used product? they sure as (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) shouldn't.

Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: trapdog1] #7700117
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Does the USDA actually have the power to just ban a long standing and widely used product? they sure as (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) shouldn't.



When has the lack of legal authority stopped a government entity from doing anything it's wanted to.do.in the last 40 years?

FWIW, think it's a BS story.
We only use Ball lids, pretty sure still made in Ohio.
Saw a guy that works there posting about it last winter

Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Giant Sage] #7700157
10/25/22 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
I've watched this guy's videos and the sky is falling in most of them

I'm going with this^^^^^ Chicken Little


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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Turtledale] #7700163
10/25/22 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Turtledale
Originally Posted by Giant Sage
I've watched this guy's videos and the sky is falling in most of them

I'm going with this^^^^^ Chicken Little

Yep


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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700164
10/25/22 08:34 AM
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I can see it all clearly now. Bootleg lids flooding across the border from Mexican cartels. All the good people back in the hollers running canning operation with revenuers looking for them. Black helicopters swooping around..
LMAO!
People jumping off the edge of the planet because couldn't get their lids.

Mac


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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700178
10/25/22 08:53 AM
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I have some that the flats won't come out of the bands. They want us to throw away and buy new.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700195
10/25/22 09:18 AM
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I have used Ball and Golden Harvest lids for years with no Issues at all. Might have one bulge while canning but sucks down tight while cooling. I can Beans, Peppers and Tomato products every year and have no desire to try plastic lids. I have found no evidence that the USDA is banning canning lids or has any desire to. Broad and overly open statement to post that the USDA is banning canning lids. I can my own food because I know how my food was prepared and how it was grown not because want to save money. In my opinion this Post was designed to get hits on a you tube sight.

Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700200
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Theres a few cents to be made if they get enough hits. I can't watch most videos.


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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700208
10/25/22 09:43 AM
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alphabet city needs banned...


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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700214
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Since somebody brought it up, what causes lids to pucker? Have had both regular and wide mouth. The regular went ahead and sealed, the wide mouth didn't.

My guess is they are slightly oversized........the band will still fit and screw down, but when the lid heats up in either the water bath or pressure canner, the metal expands and has to go somewhere, so is forced to pucker. If only slightly off, the vacuum pulled in the jar is enough to hold it down. I always remove the bands for storage, so if a lid fails, you know it PDQ......before it goes into storage.

FWIW, for past 2 years I have been using generic lids sourced from an Amish grocery store. The regulars came in a foot long sleeve of about 500. Only had a few of those pucker. No other failures.

Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700223
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Couple of the movie making trappers need to make one that says
raccoon fur is making a strong fashion come back. And then let Fin find it. grin





Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700224
10/25/22 10:17 AM
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Over there.
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Over there.
Click bait to get views and spread fear. More lid hoarding to take place.

Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700228
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lots of 'be afraid' videos on yutube....some of the channels have perfected that science and they will sell you everything you need to 'be ready'.


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Re: USDA Banning Canning Lids [Re: Finster] #7700297
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This is absolutely not true.

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