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Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA #7716444
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I was reviewing the 2022 PA Game Commission Regs and saw that Straight Walled Cartridges are legal now in "Regulated" Areas in PA. I hunt in one of those regulated areas and was excited to hear the news regarding the change. I love my Savage slug gun (20ga) and it is deadly out past 100 yds but the challenge of using a handgun for deer has always interested me. I have a good compliment of handguns I never thought I would get the opportunity to hunt with and now it appears possible in 2023 for me. The regs allow for Semi-Auto and Manual gun types (CORRECTION: MANUAL ONLY FOR NOW) - I will primarily use revolvers in the calibers specified.

I am looking for opinions on cartridge selection for deer hunting (next year after I practice!!) -- Expected shot distance is 50yds or under shooting from a stick rest. Currently have the following caliber selection -- 45ACP, 45LC, 44MAG, 357MAG, 10mm. Would be interested to hear experience, results and recommendations if you have used any of the proposed cartridges on deer. Also any thoughts on scope versus open sights based on what I am proposing. Thanks.

- Jim

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Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716516
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have taken a few with a 10mm, they work! this one was taken at 70 yards
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Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716553
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Originally Posted by YoteChaser1968
I have a good compliment of handguns I never thought I would get the opportunity to hunt with and now it appears possible in 2023 for me. The regs allow for Semi-Auto and Manual gun types - I will primarily use revolvers in the calibers specified.- Jim


I see nowhere in the regs that allow semi-auto handguns anywhere in the Commonwealth.

pg. 17 specifically says "Hunting with semiauto handguns is prohibited".

pg. 31 (Special Regs Areas) refers to semi-auto shotguns



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Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716559
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I have a 357 max contender barrel. Dad killed a couple deer and an antelope with it.

Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716564
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Awfully nice of the government to allow you to use certain firearms in certain areas.

Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716578
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I have killed two deer with a 357 magnum revolver. Both under 50 yards both just dropped right there. 16 grains of W296 and wheel weight lead cast bullet. Shot both of them in top of the shoulder. That shot ruins a little meat but you dont have to look for them. A well made commercial hollow point right behind the shoulder I bet they wont go far. I figured that hard lead 158 grain round nose would just zip right through so I shot that top of the shoulder shot.


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Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: white marlin] #7716600
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by YoteChaser1968
I have a good compliment of handguns I never thought I would get the opportunity to hunt with and now it appears possible in 2023 for me. The regs allow for Semi-Auto and Manual gun types - I will primarily use revolvers in the calibers specified.- Jim


I see nowhere in the regs that allow semi-auto handguns anywhere in the Commonwealth.

pg. 17 specifically says "Hunting with semiauto handguns is prohibited".

pg. 31 (Special Regs Areas) refers to semi-auto shotguns






X2.
Not legal now

Maybe theirs something proposed for 2023 June hearings to be considered for 2023/24 ??

Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716665
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Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716688
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I hunted exclusively with a handgun for over 20 years. Longest shot was 224 yds. With a .454 Casull in an M.O.A. Corporation Maximum.
That said I would use the .44 Mag. Or the .45 Colt.
If you’re using revolvers a longer barrel helps.
If you reload you can do much better.
If using factory ammo in the .45 Colt do your research. Lots of ammo for it is pretty mild so as to be used in older revolvers. .44 Mag should be good.
I handloaded everything I shot.
I would stay with at least a 6” barrel.
Invest in a single shot pistol and you can really reach out there beyond 150 yds.

Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716714
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I use a Smith and Wesson performance center magnum hunter, 44 magnum. My hunting partner loads for me 13 grains of blue dot with a hornady 240 grain XTP bullet. It prints six shots all touching at 25 yards. I have it topped with a holosun red dot with a 2 MOA dot. I killed a bear with it at 63 yards. I shot it facing me between the left shoulder and the neck the bullet was under the skin on the same side hip. It traveled the length of the bear. The recovered bullet weighed 238 grains. The pistol has a 7.5 inch barrel with a muzzle brake. It's a mild load and showed 1068 fps at the muzzle average. I hope this helps.

Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: CTobias] #7716766
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Originally Posted by CTobias
Awfully nice of the government to allow you to use certain firearms in certain areas.


so, Alaska allows fully automatic rifles for hunting?

.22 rimfire for moose? Grizzly?

un-plugged shotguns for waterfowl?


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Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716932
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41mag with 210gr jacketed hollow points does the trick for me. Got a redhawk, a Blackhawk and Smith in it. Also bought myself a Henry chambered in it. Looking for a Marlin. Also have a couple of 10mm s.


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Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716950
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I hunt pistol but I think I might be doing it different

one township we hunt is shotgun and pistol only so I built a 300 blackout pistol 2x scope , you have to be 18 or older to hunt with the pistol , could have built one in 308

dumb ordinance


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Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: YoteChaser1968] #7716969
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I have killed several deer and hogs with a 357 magnum using 158 grain JHP currently using the XTP and a 240 grain JHP in a 44 magnum also currently using the XTP but used to like the 240 grain Remington JHP bullets when you could buy them as components. I have had no complaints with the performance of either round with those bullets.

To the question of scope or iron sights with your stipulation of using it for deer and the range of 50 yards or less I would go with a red dot sight they are faster to pick up than a scope, more precise than iron sights and work better in low light dawn and dusk conditions than either the scope or irons.

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my 44 mag load is a 240gr xtp also , if my 44 had a good option for a dot I would probably go dot it just makes hits farther out faster and more precise

my son has a tirjicon RMR on his glock 34 and it makes hit on steel at 100 yards almost to easy , you shoot , smile and shoot and smile

I have a Vortex Venom on my MKIII and it was good for pistol sihlowettes depending on the wind I held over the horns or the hams if no wind over the middle of the back


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I have shoot deer with a Redhawk in 44 mag at 98 yards it dropped with 240gr sp. 357 mag has taken a lot of deer for us in a carbine and revolver. 308 in encore works.

They all will work just fine. Hunt with the one you like most or is the cheapest to shoot.

Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: white marlin] #7717151
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by CTobias
Awfully nice of the government to allow you to use certain firearms in certain areas.


so, Alaska allows fully automatic rifles for hunting?

.22 rimfire for moose? Grizzly?

un-plugged shotguns for waterfowl?



All of the above.

Re: Straight Wall Cartridges (Pistol) in PA [Re: white marlin] #7717167
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wv does, centerfire to hunt big game, or rimfire larger than 25. shotgun plug is federal.

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Originally Posted by CTobias
Originally Posted by white marlin


so, Alaska allows fully automatic rifles for hunting?

.22 rimfire for moose? Grizzly?

un-plugged shotguns for waterfowl?



All of the above.


I've found several sources that say fully automatic firearms are illegal under state law. and a quick look at Alaska's hunting regs show that your state DOES in fact restrict what weapons can be used in certain areas. Yes, you have less restrictions, but your state DOES have some restrictions in some areas.

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My mistake. Thanks for correcting WM.

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