Climbed up in a tree yesterday afternoon to see if a deer or pig would wander by, no body wanted to be a target I guess

While sitting I got to thinking about trapping as I spied a clump of broom sedge. I have had people tell me not to move anything because it boogers coyotes but I remember a video where a guy dug up a clump of this stuff and "planted" it where he thought it needed to be for his set.

Thoughts / experiences?

What is your view on moving a clump of grass vs moving say a rock or skull?

How far can you move an object before it becomes alarming?

I moved this half of a pelvis about 16-18" and used it for a flat set/ urine post.

Things get moved all the time. I don't think it matters as much as people claim.

According to some on here, a pebble out of place will spook a coyote. Guess it depends on the coyotes you’re after. Mine don’t care if you park a John Deere beside the set or burn off an entire section of woods. Some will say how did that skull, bone, limb, etc get there. I guess it got there the same way it did when I first saw it. That limb wasn’t there yesterday when I walked through and now it is. I think if a coyote truly had that thought process then they would curl up in a ball from total anxiety, lol. Animals are animals, think we give too much credit to them and it gets in our heads more than we think it gets in theirs.

Why would you move something you dont have too?? If you are after a coyote that had never been educated then you can do whatever you like. Or if you are after a young coyote it doesn’t matter. Of your in Kanas or South Texas it may matter very little. But come out herw in sheep country and start moving stuff around or digging dirtholes and see what happens. IF you job and liviley hood depends on catching coyotes that are educated WHY would you do things that spook coyotes?? Being low key and not spooking them. Our great grandfather caught that where problem coyotes. Those coyotes where true problem coyotes. They kill sheep and put ranchers out of bussiness and those that COULD NOT catch them lost there lively hood. Trapper have given up the old ways = for what is easy. Making speed sets in under 2 mins. Thinking every coyote can be caught on a First Nights catch. Putting minimal efforts in sets and expecting results quickly or over night. Trapper of today want everything right now. No waiting. No real effort. But some coyotes are easy to catch some are really hard to catch. A coyote that kills. Then leaves for days on end. Is often educated to the point of being only able to be caught in certain circumstances

You move something on = the wrong coyote and I promise it will matter. Often people dont see the results of their mistakes. Because another coyote comes buy and gets caught IF you miss the first chance to catch a educated coyote. Then it often becomes more educated The price of buggering up coyotes are often not seen by the trapper. BUT come in un seen consequences. Like more fawns being killed or livestock being continued to be killed OR by educating coyotes you make another trappers job harder. Why take the risk?

You did you’ve been on these places for years yet you have educated coyotes. Guess my question is how did that coyote get educated?

How does that coyote walk around everyday facing constant changes in the landscape?

Wind blows and uncovers a rock or limb, so does he now change his pattern?

Do we just assume if we miss a coyote or he doesn’t pay attention to our set that he must be educated?

Who’s to say that all coyotes are caught? I’d think if that was the case then y’all professionals wouldn’t have a job, lol.

So any calf or fawn is only killed by educated coyotes? Other coyotes can’t move in?

Wonder how other professionals that use nothing but dirtholes and one bait and urine catch coyotes on these same places?

Thats alot of questions to respond to

1 question. It got educated by the people that trap around me = THEY make big unnatural dirtholes. Toe pinch coyotes. Fail to pick up lure sticks. Use poor techniques

Wannabe u think there might be a difference between "spooked" enough they won't work a set and spooked enough they freak out and leave the area. I can promise u there's a difference even if u don't realize it. Plenty of yellow lights for most coyotes when they approach a set. But u try over come the caution with the attraction of lure, bait and visuals.

2 nd question. The landscape my change but the coyote knows it AND how it changed. IF i move the sofa in your house 2 ft to the left will you know? If I move you bed up 2 ft will you know?? Same thing in coyotes world BUT more pronounced cause he lives there 24/7

Coyotes that see pressure both hunting or trapping generation after generation will tend to be more naturally cautious than those that see little. In other words part of can be learned.

Danny has a great story about how a coyote they raised freaked out when they rearranged the furniture in their house

3 question. Coyote notice everything. Same reason. IF I take the cover off your bed will you know it? If I put a green sheet over your couch will you know it??

4 th question. A miss isnt allways a bad miss. Pattern miss. No harm No fool. Dirt Hole miss where trap is moved or dirt flies up in coyote face = YES you have educated that coyote

Question 5. I will always have a job catching coyotes. I can catch all the coyotes that are on a place IF you give me enough time. Now will more move in ? YES. But unlike what liberal biologist of this new age that ARE against us think. They dont coming running over the hill the next day !!! 3 weeks. 3 months 3 years. It may take for coyotes to return

True.
And sometimes a coyote does the moving !

Deer hides, carcasses and bones / skulls are some of those things that coyotes tend to drag around.
If a limb falls, is that moving things ?
Wasn't there, yesterday. . .

Bush hog a field , combine the crops. . .where did everything go ?
Still moved.

On the other side of that coin, such as (planting) or transplanting a grass tuff or bush, doing it and letting it age in place will remove that doubt you have.

So coyotes , while they may notice change, get used to it after some time.
Rocks, chunk of wood , tree roots and even a 'burnt black 4X4 block, are things trappers use as an attractant and backing at trap sets.
Many of which catch coyotes overnight.
A friend of mine once used a Conk shell out in a plowed field.
Caught coyotes too !

Question 6. At ANYTIME a coyote can become a livestock killer. But I would say lots are from education from their mother or they become injuried or one could say = does it matter ??? If you have coyotes in your livestock do you really want to wait till they start killing?? Why chance it. Kill them all!!! A liberal waits to get a gun after they are robbed. Why not have a gun before hand and not get robbed

Question 7. Because THOSE so call professionals are in very high populations of coyotes. You can compare a coyote trapper in Sheep country to some guy in Kanas or Indiana running around digging dirt holes everywhere where coyotes are everywhere. Hunger and compitition makes coyotes easy to catch in dirtholes in these places.

I agree. Learned and taught education Can be just as tuff of a coyote to catch as any

Not hunger ST. Everyone says hungry coyotes in KS because we have so many. But it's really we have so many coyotes because they are so well fed. Only thin coyote u will skin in me country is sick ones. My understanding we have some of the fattest coyotes here.