Educate me please
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11/26/22 06:09 PM
11/26/22 06:09 PM
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Scuba1
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"color blind Kraut"
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The coons I caught near the coast in SC had a reddish tinge to them and I was told that it was because of the shellfish that was a good part of their diet in the marsh of the low country and coastal empire. So i say fair enough, not knowing any better. But the coyotes I get here on my patch in East Tennessee are more yellow, reddish than the ones I caught down there. Is it just my perception or is there something to that ?? I just find it weird as the songdogs up here sure are a long way from the oyster banks in South Carolina.
Last edited by Scuba1; 11/26/22 06:20 PM.
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Re: Educate me please
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/26/22 06:23 PM
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Like Snow Geese that feed in East Coast marshes, the red "rust" color is from the iron in the marsh and salt water. I better say that it's not what they eat as much as the marsh residue that sticks to the feathers / fur and discolor them.
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Re: Educate me please
[Re: Yukon John]
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11/26/22 06:44 PM
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If you're color blind, how do you know they're red? The color blind thing is Pauls fault My vision is in no way impaired color or otherwise.
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Educate me please
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/26/22 08:16 PM
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danny clifton
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I have state hopped a little. Different colors in the same species in a different environment are the rule not the exception.
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Re: Educate me please
[Re: danny clifton]
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11/26/22 08:22 PM
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I have state hopped a little. Different colors in the same species in a different environment are the rule not the exception. Highly doubt, in this case it has to do with a "genetic color phase". I agree with Danny: " Different colors in the same species in a different environment are the rule not the exception."
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Re: Educate me please
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/26/22 09:19 PM
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Scuba1 appears to be articulate enough to describe what he sees, "had a reddish tinge to them."A "tinge" is a "stain". Given his description of the area, and environment he described, I doubt genetics has anything to do with it. . . . I'm done :-)
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Re: Educate me please
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/26/22 09:43 PM
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During the 1920/1930s raccoons were almost extent in Ohio. The Ohio Division Wildlife set a number of farms and trapped coon from other states, bred and raised them and released. So, we have at least 3 varieties coon in Ohio and one of those are a rusty colored. The old fur buyers would knock the price down on the rusty ones when you sold them. I don't remember exactly what states they trapped them in, but I don't believe any came from coastal water states and would bet if you caught 100 here in Ohio you will still see all 3 varieties.
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Re: Educate me please
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/26/22 10:19 PM
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As I am from the other side of the pond, Fox, muskrat and rabbits were my main stay there as we do not have raccoons or coyotes there. So I have only trapped these for just under 10 years. Its just something that I observed. Also I don't travel around to trap, so I do not have a broad sample area. Just my 40 some acres here north of Knoxville. So genetics could explain the more " blond " looking coyotes here as opposed to the grayer ones down in the low country / salt marsh areas
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Educate me please
[Re: SJA]
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11/26/22 11:38 PM
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I have state hopped a little. Different colors in the same species in a different environment are the rule not the exception. Highly doubt, in this case it has to do with a "genetic color phase". I agree with Danny: " Different colors in the same species in a different environment are the rule not the exception."
I agree with Danny too, but I believe that BECAUSE different areas tend to have different genetic color phases. Different colored critters are caused by two critters both carrying a recessive gene for it. So if for whatever reason a coyote in GA carried a recessive gene for black coloration and happened to run into a female that also carried that gene... 25% of their offspring would be black. They have litters for 3 years in a row, with an average size of 6, and now there's 4 or 5 black coyotes running around and 18 coyotes that carry at least ONE gene for the recessive trait. Those 18 coyotes have a 50/50 chance of producing 25% black pups. The 4 or 5 black coyotes have a 50-75% chance of producing black coyotes. Scuba's coyotes in TN are red because somewhere along the line 2 coyotes with a recessive red coloration gene bred.
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