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Educate me please #7727592
11/26/22 06:09 PM
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The coons I caught near the coast in SC had a reddish tinge to them and I was told that it was because of the shellfish that was a good part of their diet in the marsh of the low country and coastal empire. So i say fair enough, not knowing any better. But the coyotes I get here on my patch in East Tennessee are more yellow, reddish than the ones I caught down there. Is it just my perception or is there something to that ?? I just find it weird as the songdogs up here sure are a long way from the oyster banks in South Carolina.

Last edited by Scuba1; 11/26/22 06:20 PM.

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Re: Educate me please [Re: Scuba1] #7727593
11/26/22 06:12 PM
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I say false. Genetics .


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Re: Educate me please [Re: Scuba1] #7727603
11/26/22 06:21 PM
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If you're color blind, how do you know they're red?


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Re: Educate me please [Re: Scuba1] #7727605
11/26/22 06:23 PM
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Like Snow Geese that feed in East Coast marshes, the red "rust" color is from the iron in the marsh and salt water. I better say that it's not what they eat as much as the marsh residue that sticks to the feathers / fur and discolor them.

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Re: Educate me please [Re: Yukon John] #7727623
11/26/22 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
If you're color blind, how do you know they're red?


The color blind thing is Pauls fault
grin

My vision is in no way impaired color or otherwise.


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Re: Educate me please [Re: Scuba1] #7727626
11/26/22 06:46 PM
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Lol, just joshin'!


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Re: Educate me please [Re: Scuba1] #7727650
11/26/22 07:08 PM
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Called those redneck coons when we trapped in Louisiana as a kid. I have trapped them in Georgia also.

Re: Educate me please [Re: Scuba1] #7727685
11/26/22 07:45 PM
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Hogwarsh as far as diet is concerned. Genetic color phase is the cause.

Re: Educate me please [Re: Scuba1] #7727700
11/26/22 08:16 PM
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I have state hopped a little. Different colors in the same species in a different environment are the rule not the exception.


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Re: Educate me please [Re: danny clifton] #7727705
11/26/22 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I have state hopped a little. Different colors in the same species in a different environment are the rule not the exception.


Highly doubt, in this case it has to do with a "genetic color phase". I agree with Danny: " Different colors in the same species in a different environment are the rule not the exception."


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Re: Educate me please [Re: Gary Benson] #7727748
11/26/22 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
I say false. Genetics .

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Re: Educate me please [Re: Scuba1] #7727760
11/26/22 09:19 PM
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Scuba1 appears to be articulate enough to describe what he sees, "had a reddish tinge to them."A "tinge" is a "stain". Given his description of the area, and environment he described, I doubt genetics has anything to do with it. . . . I'm done :-)


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Re: Educate me please [Re: Scuba1] #7727780
11/26/22 09:43 PM
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During the 1920/1930s raccoons were almost extent in Ohio. The Ohio Division Wildlife set a number of farms and trapped coon from other states, bred and raised them and released. So, we have at least 3 varieties coon in Ohio and one of those are a rusty colored. The old fur buyers would knock the price down on the rusty ones when you sold them. I don't remember exactly what states they trapped them in, but I don't believe any came from coastal water states and would bet if you caught 100 here in Ohio you will still see all 3 varieties.

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Re: Educate me please [Re: Scuba1] #7727808
11/26/22 10:19 PM
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As I am from the other side of the pond, Fox, muskrat and rabbits were my main stay there as we do not have raccoons or coyotes there. So I have only trapped these for just under 10 years. Its just something that I observed. Also I don't travel around to trap, so I do not have a broad sample area. Just my 40 some acres here north of Knoxville. So genetics could explain the more " blond " looking coyotes here as opposed to the grayer ones down in the low country / salt marsh areas


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Re: Educate me please [Re: SJA] #7727846
11/26/22 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SJA
Originally Posted by danny clifton
I have state hopped a little. Different colors in the same species in a different environment are the rule not the exception.


Highly doubt, in this case it has to do with a "genetic color phase". I agree with Danny: " Different colors in the same species in a different environment are the rule not the exception."


I agree with Danny too, but I believe that BECAUSE different areas tend to have different genetic color phases. Different colored critters are caused by two critters both carrying a recessive gene for it. So if for whatever reason a coyote in GA carried a recessive gene for black coloration and happened to run into a female that also carried that gene... 25% of their offspring would be black. They have litters for 3 years in a row, with an average size of 6, and now there's 4 or 5 black coyotes running around and 18 coyotes that carry at least ONE gene for the recessive trait. Those 18 coyotes have a 50/50 chance of producing 25% black pups. The 4 or 5 black coyotes have a 50-75% chance of producing black coyotes.

Scuba's coyotes in TN are red because somewhere along the line 2 coyotes with a recessive red coloration gene bred.


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Re: Educate me please [Re: Yukon John] #7727873
11/27/22 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
If you're color blind, how do you know they're red?

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