Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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I’m guessing our buzzards are the same as yours too, lol. As I’ve posted before our buzzards will sometimes pass a hog, guess they pass cows too.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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Yes Sir:
Couple years ago I was after the coyotes and had access to some dead pits, and then a stretch of highway where it was open range and it seemed there was daily a dead cow hit on the highway.
On the dead pit, there was very little hesitancy of coyotes to eat new additions. However, every once in a while, there was a cow added that no coyote would touch. Really odd. They would eat the cow that was on top of, or under, the untouched cow, but no way were they going to eat "that one" cow. The untouched cows were a mixture of cows that had, and had not been, vaccinated/inoculated/etc. Some were calves, some were old cows. There was just no rhyme or reason to it.
With the cows hit on the highway, I would drag them to my preferred spots and most were hit immediately by the coyotes. I had no basis to determine their status as vaccinated, etc. but assumed that they had not been recently treated since they were range cows. However, I saw nearly the identical results with the range cows as with the dead pit cows. Most were consumed pretty quickly, but every once in a while there was a cow that nobody would touch . . . even the ravens would just pick the eyes out and that was it. I experimented with placements of the carcass and did learn a few things. Coyotes wanted a wide open view of their surroundings to get comfortable. Cows that were in high brush took longer for the coyotes to feel comfortable than those out on the short grass prairie. On the other hand, a cow in plain site, but near escape cover, had a much higher rate of being eaten than one in dense cover. For example, a cow in the corner of a pasture that had high brush around the pasture was pretty enticing to even the most paranoid coyote. Often I could take a cow that was untouched, drag it a mile or two away and have instant success. Other times, it was like that uneaten cow was radioactive -- nobody, nowhere would touch it. Another trick I learned was if you cut into the visceral cavity and opened the cow up AND THEN DRAGGED IT to your spot, there was a high probability that coyotes would eat it. I think some coyotes were just super spooky about eating big baits, and others were not. Opening the viscera advertised to more coyotes and they would follow the cow trail to the bait. Another oddity that I could never figure out was that cows I dragged to the north side of the highway had a higher chance of being rejected than those I dragged on the south side of the highway. I think this may have had something to do with there being more coyotes on the south side (because there was better terrain, some distant hay fields, water, etc.) but it was really a puzzler. And the end of the day, I came away convinced there are a whole bunch of things we probably don't know about their behavior that are very important to how they communicate, etc. Interesting topic.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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Yes Sir:
Couple years ago I was after the coyotes and had access to some dead pits, and then a stretch of highway where it was open range and it seemed there was daily a dead cow hit on the highway.
On the dead pit, there was very little hesitancy of coyotes to eat new additions. However, every once in a while, there was a cow added that no coyote would touch. Really odd. They would eat the cow that was on top of, or under, the untouched cow, but no way were they going to eat "that one" cow. The untouched cows were a mixture of cows that had, and had not been, vaccinated/inoculated/etc. Some were calves, some were old cows. There was just no rhyme or reason to it.
With the cows hit on the highway, I would drag them to my preferred spots and most were hit immediately by the coyotes. I had no basis to determine their status as vaccinated, etc. but assumed that they had not been recently treated since they were range cows. However, I saw nearly the identical results with the range cows as with the dead pit cows. Most were consumed pretty quickly, but every once in a while there was a cow that nobody would touch . . . even the ravens would just pick the eyes out and that was it. I experimented with placements of the carcass and did learn a few things. Coyotes wanted a wide open view of their surroundings to get comfortable. Cows that were in high brush took longer for the coyotes to feel comfortable than those out on the short grass prairie. On the other hand, a cow in plain site, but near escape cover, had a much higher rate of being eaten than one in dense cover. For example, a cow in the corner of a pasture that had high brush around the pasture was pretty enticing to even the most paranoid coyote. Often I could take a cow that was untouched, drag it a mile or two away and have instant success. Other times, it was like that uneaten cow was radioactive -- nobody, nowhere would touch it. Another trick I learned was if you cut into the visceral cavity and opened the cow up AND THEN DRAGGED IT to your spot, there was a high probability that coyotes would eat it. I think some coyotes were just super spooky about eating big baits, and others were not. Opening the viscera advertised to more coyotes and they would follow the cow trail to the bait. Another oddity that I could never figure out was that cows I dragged to the north side of the highway had a higher chance of being rejected than those I dragged on the south side of the highway. I think this may have had something to do with there being more coyotes on the south side (because there was better terrain, some distant hay fields, water, etc.) but it was really a puzzler. And the end of the day, I came away convinced there are a whole bunch of things we probably don't know about their behavior that are very important to how they communicate, etc. Interesting topic. That is very interesting. The next hog I kill I’ll drag to an open field, near cover, and see what the results are. Still doesn’t explain the fact that the buzzards won’t touch it.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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Lazarus that's some interesting information and thoughts. I'm glad I'm not the only one who contemplates these things. I'm glad you brought up communication because just knowing how many coyotes we have I wouldn't be surprised if 15+ coyotes have come across the untouched cow and not a taker. I could understand the really cautious/ spooky coyotes finding something to turn them off but everyone? Makes me wonder if they have a way to communicate to stay away from this one. Say if it was my human scent that scared them off, after so many days that's going to be gone, but if a really cautious coyote came by a few hours after I put that cow there could it communicate that this cow is danger and they just keep marking it ...??? We lost 3 cows in that pasture in a short time so I believe it was likely they died from the same sickness so that kind rules that out. I'll guarantee they will still be chewing on the one cow in 4 months and likely they may never touch the other.
Dstone I see this behavior somewhat regularly over my lifetime so I'm thinking it wasn't some unique odor on the chain but who knows...
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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Wannabe I was told the high fat continent in hogs is hard for most wild animals to digest and around here a coyote has to be pretty hungry to eat a pig, which doesn't happen very often. Maybe that's what u are seeing down there...??? Hungry coyotes and /or high density of coyotes!
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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12/03/22 07:03 AM
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Anywhere pigs are being eaten especially in the day time in South Texas has a VERY high density of coyotes I agree. I dont know much about a TX coyote but I do know that when you see em in high numbers in daytime then you have a lot of coyotes.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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This also makes one think about bait piles?? What about the ones that you dont see? I dont pass up dead cows or bait piles. BUT anyone that puts up a camera and thinks he is getting ALL or most of the pics on his property and~or his neighbors ? I have been told od people that think = that constantly setting a camera on the bait site give them a complete inventory of all coyotes = their and the ones they pull in as well. I dont believe that. I also dont believe you can have 4 or 5000 acres and greatly pull aniamals of 100000 acres around you with a bait pile. It may help. But is not a cure all for not setting everything you can. Spot on info^^^ Coyotes are similar to other wildlife. They have a home range, albeit sometimes large, that they use regularly, but they have NO IDEA what is outside their range and unless they've been there b4 the entire neighboring coyotes ain't coming over to search for a carcass. Yeah, yeah...I know they hear vocalizations of far off coyotes and likely travel into new territory to investigate, but a dozen won't come at once. If you see many coyotes you can belive they were always there, maybe only occasionally, but they were there the entire time. You DID NOT have that property "trapped out" of coyotes.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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Steeltraps has the right idea
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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It might be interesting to see if the activity at the carcass picks as we get further away form deer season. Fair number of bucks rut themselves to death (or nearly to it) making them a easy fresh food source. Also right now with rifle season in full swing there are plenty of gut piles being dropped and such.
Anecdotally, I have noticed my coyote success dips during and immediately following rifle season here. I have always figured its two things... 1) LOT more easy, fresh food on the ground (gut piles, wounded deer, carcasses, etc.) and 2) LOT more disturbance. Overall, I think some people get a little carried away with scent control, esp. in landscapes like Kansas where a coyote certainly smells human scent regularly. However, I will say there is a big difference between "rancher checking cows, scent at the gate" and ".30-06 wizzed past by head, hammer down out of here" scent.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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I don't think its a bad idea to set them regardless. I trapped a small farm a couple weeks ago with two dead cows on it. One had been sitting a little bit and was being eaten, the other was only a couple days old and had not been touched. I caught 8 coyotes on that farm and only 1 of them was caught by the dead cows. I set three traps around the cows cause I figured it would be a hot spot, it really wasn't
The farmer also has guineas and chickens up by his house that are free ranging. Also lots of fallen down old sheds/junk up there with tons of rabbits. There's a road that crosses the creek and goes up to his house. I caught 5 along that road. Seems to me like the coyotes would rather go kill a live chicken or rabbit than eat a dead cow, at least that was the case on that farm. Be interesting to go back towards the end of this season and see if the one cow has been eaten any
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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I don't have cows to set near but I do have deer carcasses that I set up. What I found out Is if I set In the brush near a carcass I have very little luck. But If lets say the deer carcass Is In the brush and my sets are at least 10 yards or so out In open ground I have a lot better luck when setting foot holds. Seems to me the coyote is less wary when he Is out In the open.
But I have placed deer carcasses and never had a coyote even get close to them let alone eat them. But kill a deer and not retrieve It till the next day and 95% of the time coyotes will be all over It.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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So what I’ve learned is coyotes will do whatever they want, when they want, and how they want to do it, and where they want. So what works at your place may not work at mine and vice versa. Best thing to do is set and learn. But the one constant I’m reading is coyotes are caught more in the open where they can see vs deep in cover. Think that would apply everywhere. I can think of a quite a few sets I screwed up by thinking they wanted cover or a lot of cover. Even the backing was probably too much.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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So what I’ve learned is coyotes will do whatever they want, when they want, and how they want to do it, and where they want.
But the one constant I’m reading is coyotes are caught more in the open where they can see vs deep in cover. Think that would apply everywhere. I can think of a quite a few sets I screwed up by thinking they wanted cover or a lot of cover. Even the backing was probably too much. YES, baits in the open, will out produced baits in thick cover. Coyotes/wolves want to see, both approaching and while they're on it, if there’s danger from other predators, thus the best sites are in the open and ringed by heavy cover to hang snares in.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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When I place carcasses when snaring I place them out In the open then hang the cable where they leave or enter the near by cover.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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I’m guessing our buzzards are the same as yours too, lol. As I’ve posted before our buzzards will sometimes pass a hog, guess they pass cows too. We have had cows that died that the buzzards didn’t touch. But an armadillo road kill? 3 dozen will fight over it and ignore traffic.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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I’m guessing our buzzards are the same as yours too, lol. As I’ve posted before our buzzards will sometimes pass a hog, guess they pass cows too. We have had cows that died that the buzzards didn’t touch. But an armadillo road kill? 3 dozen will fight over it and ignore traffic. That and a possum!
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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Steeltraps, you have the mud - or dust - on the boots experience my friend and it's fun tagging along on your ride alongs. I haven't caught a coyote in 4 days (and we have some still with us here on this 1700 acre ranch), ever since the helicopter gunners shot two and buzzed this place for 3.5 hours. There's a dead deer (locked in battle and died) and a dead Aoudad laying out in the panhandle prairie and narry a peep. Ranch hands shot some ducks and tossed the entrails out in a pile. Pigs shot and killed by the helicopter dudes. NONE of it touched in 4 days and I've seen 3 sets of tracks where I think the coyotes are moving only a few hundred yards at most. AND I know, they know, I'm here. The chess game is on! Love it. My move. Their move. My move. Their move. Steeltraps, you know the drill brother!
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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I’ve had lots of cows passed over.
I’ve never had a deer passed over. Ever.
If a deer ain’t getting slicked up, they just haven’t found it yet!
As for coyotes not emptying out of big chunks of country to come to a good food source (yes, even leaving their “territory”) come up North in a average to bad winter about January! Not uncommon for every coyote (or the lions share of them) within 10-20 miles to be stacked up where the food is!
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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I will say I have better luck with deer than anything else on getting the canines to hit it, and they seem much less leery of whole deer than bones and scraps. They will hit bones and scraps at times, but seem much leerier.
I put a pile of bones from the deer processor out last Friday. Today is Wednesday and the coyotes have been pounding it. 100 yards away is road killed deer I dragged up a month ago. Fox have hit it but no coyotes. Go figure?
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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And we wonder why they will walk past a set with a spoonful of bait down a hole and a ton of human scent there sometimes X2
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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I have no answers. I'm trapping a farm now that has two calf dead piles. Only one calf out of both piles has been touched along with some deer carcasses with a little meat on them after butchering. One deer was taken with a hip bone sticking out of the hide and infection had set in, the coyotes haven't touched that one. It just seems odd that only one calf has been eaten out of 20 or so carcasses.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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I have no answers. I'm trapping a farm now that has two calf dead piles. Only one calf out of both piles has been touched along with some deer carcasses with a little meat on them after butchering. One deer was taken with a hip bone sticking out of the hide and infection had set in, the coyotes haven't touched that one. It just seems odd that only one calf has been eaten out of 20 or so carcasses. Maybe they are too froze
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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Definitely not frozen. It's been unseasonably warm here lately. I put in a couple dirt hole sets today, usually can't even think about that this time of year.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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I also think that weather is a huge factor. When we have a couple of feet of snow on the ground for long periods combined with very cold temps then the coyotes will absolutely stay on dead piles until completely gone. They are also much easier to catch even with leaving human disturbances in the snow. The last few winters have been incredibly mild and snow free and the coyotes are way more finicky about what they will and will not eat and definitely more wary of sets.
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Re: Coyotes and dead cows
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There's a dead cow on a farm I know of and a dead calf probably 70 yards away from it. Yotes seem to like the calf more than the adult. I haven't noticed any bobcat tracks at it yet
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