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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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Bidens recent bid is 36 Billion to the union pensions. To prop them up.  (buying their votes in the future). 
 
  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Atleast when Republicans are in charge they pass balanced budgets and work diligently to lower debt and weed wasteful spending...  When was the last budget actually  passed?  An actual  budget  not theses Raise the debt calling spending sprees.  Hint it has not been done in several adminstrations regardless  of R Or D.  
 
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Atleast when Republicans are in charge they pass balanced budgets and work diligently to lower debt and weed wasteful spending...  When was the last budget actually  passed?  An actual  budget  not theses Raise the debt calling spending sprees.  Hint it has not been done in several adminstrations regardless  of R Or D. It was sarcasm.  
 
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Try again PF. Just because a lie is kept alive doesn't make it true.  Falicy of 40 hour work week Henry Ford did it first.  
 
  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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  Ok for got the idea from ...The history of the 40-hour workweek August 20, 1866: A newly formed organization named the National Labor Union asked Congress to pass a law mandating the eight-hour workday. Though their efforts failed, they inspired Americans across the country to support labor reform over the next few decades   How about that overtime pay, child labor laws, and the rest I posted    I'm sure you don't enjoy any of that.   Sadly  you can't acknowledge or don't comprehend without unions you would still likely be living in company housing shopping at The Company Store and work in ridiculous amounts of hours.  
 
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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Nonsense providence complete and utter nonsense. 
 
  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Providence, the same union thieves taking yourdues and telling you that nonsense are the same union bosses telling you to vote for liberals 
 
  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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It's a union's job to negotiate these things for their members, not have the government mandate( force employers to provide) them for non-members. Force is what communist do. 
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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I've always said the one weakness of capitalism is greed....Unions were needed in the past, and they are needed now.
  Are there unionized slacker worker abuses? Yep!.....Would there be worse abuses from greedy corporations without unions?....Yep! 
 
  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Providence, the same union thieves taking yourdues and telling you that nonsense are the same union bosses telling you to vote for liberals  Actually  all that was from a union history  class in collage.  Feel free to take another  swing and miss.  I bet not more than 5 to 10%  of the 1500 in my plant vote D.     There are a few  old white guys still brain washed, the queers, and the black caucus.  The rest well there are lots of fjb and Trump stickers inside the plant on hard hats and on trucks in the parking lot.  
 
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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  Ok for got the idea from ...The history of the 40-hour workweek August 20, 1866: A newly formed organization named the National Labor Union asked Congress to pass a law mandating the eight-hour workday. Though their efforts failed, they inspired Americans across the country to support labor reform over the next few decades   How about that overtime pay, child labor laws, and the rest I posted    I'm sure you don't enjoy any of that. Sadly  you can't acknowledge or don't comprehend without unions you would still likely be living in company  housing shopping at The Company Store and work in ridiculous amounts of hours. Did you even read the link? If you did you would know it wasn't just his idea but he DID it. His goal was to attract BETTER workers. You know like how capitalism works. As far as your guards, I have had to fight them and build new ones that were USABLE instead of just meet the OSHA or MSHA standards. They can't even agree on what material and size to make handrails. To avoid fines from them USG had to take them to court after being forced to replace a couple hundred feet 3 times in 6  months. They couldn't agree where OSHA and MSHA jurisdiction line was.  
 
  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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I thought it was illegal to buy votes. Or steal elections  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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[quote=Providence Farm][quote=Drifter]Try again PF. Just because a lie is 
  Did you even read the link? If you did you would know it wasn't just his idea but he DID it. His goal was to attract BETTER workers. You know like how capitalism works. As far as your guards, I have had to fight them and build new ones that were USABLE instead of just meet the OSHA or MSHA standards. They can't even agree on what material and size to make handrails. To avoid fines from them USG had to take them to court after being forced to replace a couple hundred feet 3 times in 6  months. They couldn't agree where OSHA and MSHA jurisdiction line was.
    You seem to think like my wife.   Not everything is about to day and yesterday.  It's about how thing have improved. From over 100 years ago.   You don't have young kids working in factory with open belts many feet long and all the hazards. You don't have so many people  walking around missing body parts.   Yes it has gotten  to overkill on the last decade or so. Trying to male everything  idiot  proff but it's a major improvement  even if irritating at times.  You seem to be confusing government  incompetence and poor engineering  with all safety advancements.   Seems your probably  to dug in and can't look objectively  outside of your own thoughts.  Funny  you left out overtime pay.   Company  started  offering  pensions and health care and better wages. Some was to keep workers some was to keep out unions  and compete  with them.  Everyone  benefits  from  the advancement.  Yes Ford did it when the union failed to get Congress  to act.  Have you ever done anything  without first having an ideas?    You seem to miss the entire  point.  Maybe it's on purpose  maybe your only  reading what you want the post to say or maybe I'm not articulating  my thoughts well.  Maybe all 3?  
 
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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Companies started offering health insurance during WWI to get around government forced wage caps.
  "That year (1942), the National War Labor Board forbade employers from raising their workers’ salaries — a wage cap. If our employer-sponsored insurance system has an origin story, it is this.
  Beyond the wage cap, the labor board also ruled health insurance was exempt from the cap, so employers began to dangle health insurance as a benefit to attract the best and brightest.  
  The cherry on top: The IRS decided employer contributions to health insurance premiums were tax free, which meant workers paid less out of their pocket. " 
 
  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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    You seem to think like my wife.   Not everything is about to day and yesterday.  It's about how thing have improved. From over 100 years ago.   You don't have young kids working in factory with open belts many feet long and all the hazards. You don't have so many people  walking around missing body parts.
    Yes it has gotten  to overkill on the last decade or so. Trying to male everything  idiot  proff but it's a major improvement  even if irritating at times.  You seem to be confusing government  incompetence and poor engineering  with all safety advancements.
    Seems your probably  to dug in and can't look objectively  outside of your own thoughts.  Funny  you left out overtime pay.
    Company  started  offering  pensions and health care and better wages. Some was to keep workers some was to keep out unions  and compete  with them.  Everyone  benefits  from  the advancement.
   Yes Ford did it when the union failed to get Congress  to act.  Have you ever done anything  without first having an ideas?    You seem to miss the entire  point.  Maybe it's on purpose  maybe your only  reading what you want the post to say or maybe I'm not articulating  my thoughts well.  Maybe all 3?
 
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Providence, I get it . You feel ashamed that you continue to support communism with your union dues. At least that’s voluntary. You can quit the union. My taxes go to your pension regardless that I must by law pay them. 
 
  
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I don't agree with Gov. Bailouts.I also don't agree with all the freebies low life non workers receive in this country.I retired after 40 years in the Steelworkers Union.However,,I never approved of Public Sector Unions.In private sector Unions(like mine) the company negotiates with the Union,,deciding how much more of the companies money they can dish out as fair wages..With Public Sector Unions,,Polititions negotiate with the Union ,,deciding how much of OUR tax dollars they are willing to give the Union.Thats why public sector union workers usually have exorbitant pensions and benefits.It comes out of OUR tax dollars,,not some companies profits. 
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I've always said the one weakness of capitalism is greed....Unions were needed in the past, and they are needed now.
  Are there unionized slacker worker abuses? Yep!.....Would there be worse abuses from greedy corporations without unions?....Yep! Can you explain how? Slavery was outlawed a couple years ago.  
 
  
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Unions are good even when there is no Union. The Mine where my son works had a push going on, a couple years ago, by some workers, to unionize. My Son was against it.They get many benefits from the company already same as what unionized companys in the same biz get. When the push was on to unionize the mine,The mine offered a substantial increase in the monthly production bonuses they pay. The push to unionize failed. But the fact the union push was on resulted in a large monetary gain for all the workers. Unions are good. 
 
  
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