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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738654
12/09/22 01:12 AM
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Yep i do work for the government, never been part of a union in my 22 years aa there wasn't an active union anywhere I worked for the government. As for government pension when the government changed to the fers system and put employees into social security they gutted the pension amounts. Might get enough to cover health insurance when I'm done.

Have to manage construction contracts that are 2 to 3 times the cost of the open market price because of unions and the davis bacon act which protects unions from fair and open competition. Sickening to see the waste of tax dollars because unions buy politicians.

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738662
12/09/22 01:45 AM
12/09/22 01:45 AM
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Churchill: “Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?”

Socialite: “My goodness, Mr. Churchill… Well, I suppose… we would have to discuss terms, of course…”

Churchill: “Would you sleep with me for five pounds?”

Socialite: “Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!”

Churchill: “Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.”


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738663
12/09/22 01:45 AM
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Steve, you feel better now.

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: Blaine County] #7738710
12/09/22 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
i can assure you blain i aint no commie. the goal of any employee should be to do an honest days work for a fair wage, and secure retirement, after all, you'll be worn out by then. once i retire i can do more lucrative things like coyote trapping crazy


I am not saying you don't work hard. I am saying that unions and those in them are part of a system that stifles the free market AND supports politicians that want to raise my taxes, spend our money on welfare and take my guns. And, apparently, spend money bailing out union pensions--which is also welfare.

Communists want to take other people's money, redistribute wealth, disarm the population and destroy the free market.

I do wish you well in retirement trapping coyotes--you'll need that pension.

i dont see putin taking small arms out of any russians hands or calling for more restrictions on law abiding citizens. I've bled in the service of my country, have you?

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: Steven 49er] #7738726
12/09/22 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I agree with you one hundred percent warrior, all these anti union old guys are going to scream to high heaven when Medicare and SS go tits up in a few years. Then they will expect their children and grand children to foot the bill.

Wait and see.


Anybody depending on Medicare and SS to take care of them haven’t been paying attention.


-Goofy
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738728
12/09/22 07:51 AM
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I worked for a company that where the Teamsters Union was part of it. After 27 years with the company i was able to retire (at age 61) and have a good pension. At this company there were no "easy" jobs. And the union did not protect the lazy worker. If you didn't do your job, you got discipline. Just like so many non union companies.


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738731
12/09/22 07:52 AM
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Amen HT. Amen.
Living for The Weekend was the battle cry of us baby boomers and so here we are.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738739
12/09/22 08:05 AM
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I always feel good Dave.

HT, there are a lot of people depending on SS and Medicare whether it's right or wrong or they admit to it or not.

It will get "fixed" until this country goes broke. A lot to the majority of even so called conservatives won't stand for cuts.

I'm not depending on it I'll work til I'm dead if I have to before I'd saddle my kids with providing for me.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738787
12/09/22 09:02 AM
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SS gets paid into by everyone who is gainfully employed. Depending on it is another thing. Only union people pay into union pensions. When they retire they get SS everybody pays for plus a union pension everybody pays for but only union members collect.

If non union workers sign up for workmans comp they are required to look for work and lose benefits if they refuse a job. Union people are only required to accept another union job through their hall. The hall wont offer them work till person drawing tells the union they are ready to go back. They can refuse 17 non union jobs and still draw.

I have seen to many union companies vs non union to think union people work hard. They may put in long hours but nobody is busting but.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738795
12/09/22 09:16 AM
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The higher the pay , the more politics, I’m not a politician, I just wanna work and go home.

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738799
12/09/22 09:18 AM
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If want to join a union fine. but in some states if you want to work someplace union you are forced to join the union. Thats wrong in all kinds of ways

If unions want to offer a pension then dont fund it they should have to go bankrupt and distribute what money they do have equally to those whose money it is. Forcing taxpayers to fund a pension they dont get is wrong in all kinds of ways.

If a union member is drawing unemployment and somebody offers them a job they wont take, then they should lose unemployment just like the non union guy.

Those three things need to happen


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738804
12/09/22 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
SS gets paid into by everyone who is gainfully employed. Depending on it is another thing. Only union people pay into union pensions. When they retire they get SS everybody pays for plus a union pension everybody pays for but only union members collect.

If non union workers sign up for workmans comp they are required to look for work and lose benefits if they refuse a job. Union people are only required to accept another union job through their hall. The hall wont offer them work till person drawing tells the union they are ready to go back. They can refuse 17 non union jobs and still draw.


You never paid one nickel towards MY pension,,,and workmans comp is for folks that were hurt on the job.If your hurt and unable to work,,why would you be looking for another job.You have no idea what your talking about.

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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: MattLA] #7738809
12/09/22 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MattLA
Also union employed businesses do not pass the "mandatory pay" to the consumers.


you can NOT be serious! (if you ARE serious, you're a moron)

wages are a HUGE part of the cost of doing business.


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738816
12/09/22 09:32 AM
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Unemployment upstate. You knew what I was talking about just like you know what Im complaining about is valid. Your an east coast yankee so communism seems normal. till you are forced to think about it. then you just make up stuff to validate what you know is wrong


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738818
12/09/22 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If want to join a union fine. but in some states if you want to work someplace union you are forced to join the union. Thats wrong in all kinds of ways

If unions want to offer a pension then dont fund it they should have to go bankrupt and distribute what money they do have equally to those whose money it is. Forcing taxpayers to fund a pension they dont get is wrong in all kinds of ways.


If you don't like the policies set forth for a job (join the union,be willing to work holidays,,mandatory overtime etc.) then don't take that job.You want your cake and eat it too.The second part of your statement I agree with.I don't want to fund others peoples pensions through Gov. bailout any more than you do.I stated early on in this thread,,that I DONT agree with the bail out.

Last edited by upstateNY; 12/09/22 09:46 AM.

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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738821
12/09/22 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Unemployment upstate. You knew what I was talking about just like you know what Im complaining about is valid. Your an east coast yankee so communism seems normal. till you are forced to think about it. then you just make up stuff to validate what you know is wrong

You not knowing the difference between Unemployment and Workmans Comp,,makes ME an East Coast Yankee Communist now.Hahahaaaa


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738851
12/09/22 10:03 AM
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Danny, I understand what you are saying. I just want to point out that of all the taxpayer funded things, this is one that until all the other garbage is taken care of, lets be happy that atleast our taxes are helping our friends. Its like the unemployment thing, I get it especially if you see people everyday not working, it makes you feel like thats where all the money is going. Its not I assure you, what Congress spends on US citizens is actually pathetic all things considered.

Like put the shoe on the other foot, imagine you paid into a system that only the group of you did. Things were going great but because of something outside of your control that hard earned pension that gives you guaranteed money every single month is now in jeopardy. Are you saying that you would call the pension fund manager and tell him to decline the taxpayer funds that would alleviate the situation? Even worse, some of your closest friends want to say that you dont deserve it and that if the pension fund went under, time to get back to work. I only ask that because thats exactly what you are proposing.

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738877
12/09/22 10:29 AM
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MattLA I can see right through you. Your only on TMAN to cause trouble and promote liberalism and animal rights.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: Dirt] #7738882
12/09/22 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Here are the top 20 labor PAC contributors to candidates in the 2020 election so far, and the political breakdown for where those dollars went — and it's not even close.

No. 1: Sheet Metal, Air, Rail & Transportation Union
● Total amount: $1,633,150
● % to Dems: 91%
● % to GOP: 9%

No. 2: National Air Traffic Controllers Assn
● Total amount: $1,444,350
● % to Dems: 67%
● % to GOP: 33%

No. 3: Operating Engineers Union
● Total amount: $1,395,000
● % to Dems: 83%
● % to GOP: 17%

No. 4: American Federation of Teachers
● Total amount: $1,122,250
● % to Dems: 100%
● % to GOP: 0%

No. 5: International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
● Total amount: $1,103,000
● % to Dems: 96%
● % to GOP: 4%

No. 6: Carpenters & Joiners Union
● Total amount: $1,091,550
● % to Dems: 81%
● % to GOP: 19%

No. 7: Laborers Union
● Total amount: $1,006,200
● % to Dems: 80%
● % to GOP: 20%

No. 8: American Federation of State/County/Municipal Employees
● Total amount: $982,000
● % to Dems: 99%
● % to GOP: 1%

No. 9: Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union
● Total amount: $970,000
● % to Dems: 96%
● % to GOP: 4%

No. 10: Teamsters Union
● Total amount: $936,055
● % to Dems: 97%
● % to GOP: 3%

No. 11: Plumbers/Pipefitters Union
● Total amount: $865,800
● % to Dems: 80%
● % to GOP: 20%

No. 12: International Assn of Fire Fighters
● Total amount: $777,750
● % to Dems: 79%
● % to GOP: 21%

No. 13: Air Line Pilots Assn
● Total amount: $747,500
● % to Dems: 52%
● % to GOP: 48%

No. 14: Seafarers International Union
● Total amount: $740,750
● % to Dems: 52%
● % to GOP: 47%

No. 15: Painters & Allied Trades Union
● Total amount: $711,600
● % to Dems: 88%
● % to GOP: 10%

No. 16: United Food & Commercial Workers Union
● Total amount: $705,400
● % to Dems: 100%
● % to GOP: 0%

No. 17: National Assn of Letter Carriers
● Total amount: $670,000
● % to Dems: 79%
● % to GOP: 21%

No. 18: Service Employees International Union
● Total amount: $606,500
● % to Dems: 100%
● % to GOP: 0%

No. 19: UNITE HERE
● Total amount: $507,678
● % to Dems: 94%
● % to GOP: 6%

No. 20: National Education Assn
● Total amount: $500,350
● % to Dems: 97%
● % to GOP: 3%


That doesn’t look like too many friendly neighbors. lol


-Goofy
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: MattLA] #7738955
12/09/22 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MattLA
Danny, I understand what you are saying. I just want to point out that of all the taxpayer funded things, this is one that until all the other garbage is taken care of, lets be happy that atleast our taxes are helping our friends. Its like the unemployment thing, I get it especially if you see people everyday not working, it makes you feel like thats where all the money is going. Its not I assure you, what Congress spends on US citizens is actually pathetic all things considered.

Like put the shoe on the other foot, imagine you paid into a system that only the group of you did. Things were going great but because of something outside of your control that hard earned pension that gives you guaranteed money every single month is now in jeopardy. Are you saying that you would call the pension fund manager and tell him to decline the taxpayer funds that would alleviate the situation? Even worse, some of your closest friends want to say that you dont deserve it and that if the pension fund went under, time to get back to work. I only ask that because thats exactly what you are proposing.

You mean like social security?


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