You nailed it. Yet so many think it's all those dirty commie union members doing it. Sad how ill-informed so many are and on top of that get dug in on things they know so little about public vs privet sector pension are not the same

So I've never understood the anti- union people, if you have a skill and 2 employers offer jobs for what you can do, but ONE offers better wages and benefits, they would take the one that don't? I hate to break it to you anti's even Donald Trump hired union contractors.

They're the same as far as there's no guarantee they'll be there by the time you retire. What's your contract language if your bought out, shut down, and don't have the points to retire?

I bet he did. He's a New York Democrat parading as a conservative. Hypocrisy abounds these days.

dustytinner, here in KS I can work at a union job without joining the union. if i think the union job is better. i make as much as the teamsters do and get more work though

WHAT? Bernie B. told my I was crazy to say some non union workers make as much as union workers !

If the company sells out the new company will be informed of the current contract language. All grandfathered employees will keep there current and past benefits. If it’s a complete closure then severance packages. I know all the grandfathered employees will still get there pensions. They was just frozen when the company transitioned to 401k. The company still has the money to cover there obligations to the pensions. That’s how it is where I work at. There is both union and non union guys in the same pension plan.

What makes you think all the people on here don't pay the wages?

PBGC has those situations taken care of as best as federal law enables it to.

My guess, doing any construction in New York City or New Jersey, the Unions (mob) have you by the cojones.

you are the biggest liar on this whole site bar none.

BernieB. After I told you some non union workers make as much or more than some union workers you said to me,,On page 3 of this thread,,15 posts down,,you said "To say that union wages compare to non union wages is complete ignorance" If I was computer smart I would pin it up here for you.So,,my Friend YOU are the liar. Go look,,then come back and apologize.I was raised to NOT be two things,,,a liar or a theif,,you it seems,,, were not.

Wonder if it’s different in Right to Work States? At my company I made the same as the union workers, but Georgia is a right to work state.
So some states “require” certain jobs to be Union and only workers allowed to work must join the union?

In a right to work state,,they can not make you join the union,,,even if others in the shop are in the union.

Maybe.

"In 2019, New York City’s labor unions played a key role in tanking the development of an Amazon location in Queens – and the thousands of jobs that went with it. Now, it looks like unions are once again behind a failed deal for a new Amazon cargo hub in Newark, New Jersey.

Labor unions said they couldn’t support the lease for the hub “unless Amazon made a set of concessions that included labor agreements.” This is despite the fact that the project would have created an estimated 1,000 jobs and included “$125 million in renovating two buildings at the airport, and paying the Port Authority more than $300 million over 20 years — including $150 million up front.”

It’s also worth noting that the average starting pay for Amazon’s hourly workers is more than $18 nationally. The median hourly wage in New Jersey was about $23 last year. But the possibility of bringing in hundreds of well-paying jobs didn’t matter if unions like the Teamsters and the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union (RWDSU) couldn’t benefit from organizing these workers."

Better to have no job than one that pays the average.

New York is not a right to work state but SCOTUS's JANUS DECISION
means I can not be compelled to join a union as a condition of my employment
and may opt out thus not having to pay union dues or forced union membership.

walleyed

I too not only bet he did, I'm sure he did. More than he'd have like too I also bet.

So, who better to have an opinion on this subject than someone who has hired both union and non union? If a new York democrat as the snowflake described him would sooner hire non union for his work, whats that tell ya?

Maybe Biden, who has never built a thing has a better grasp on it? lol

WALLEYED: Are you sure that the Janus decision doesn't only apply to Public sector unions?

Didn't the Congress women aoc have something to do with the Amazon deal. I remember her flapping her gums on the tax break they was going to get and it wasn’t fair to New Yorkers to pick up the tab.