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Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. #7742654
12/13/22 01:21 PM
12/13/22 01:21 PM
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Gulo Offline OP
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These photos were taken in Far Eastern Russia almost 30 years ago. Seems like yesterday. I was asked to put up a few pictures of methods and equipment I used for the Siberian Tigers and Far Eastern Leopards. At the same sets, I caught a few Himalayan bears as well (Asiatic black bears), and a few Russian brown bears. Incidental catches were raccoon dogs, red foxes, and Asiatic badgers.


Far Eastern Leopards (or Amur Leopards) are probably the most endangered cat in the world. Different subspecies than the African Leopard.
[Linked Image]


When I arrived in Russia, the only method they allowed was built-on-site live traps. This is a double-ender, with a cage in the middle to house the dogs that were the bait. Had to feed and water the dogs daily, and walk them. With so much human activity, I knew these traps were worthless.
[Linked Image]


I finally got permission from Moscow to use Aldrich foot snares. For leopards, most sets were blind sets in trails. This is before the snares were camo'ed and blended.
[Linked Image]


For the Siberian tigers, we had to develop a capture method for the largest cat in the world. These guys make African lions look kinda puny.
[Linked Image]


Again, the Russian government wouldn't let us use anything but livetraps to start out with. Pretty much worthless.
[Linked Image]


The tigers used scent trees extensively. When we were allowed to use snares, the best places seemed to be at the base of a scent-tree. They were not baited or lured, just the natural anal spraying that the tigers would leave on the undersides of leaning trees.
[Linked Image]


Hope you enjoyed... Jack


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742658
12/13/22 01:26 PM
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What were you catching them for?


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742661
12/13/22 01:30 PM
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You brought such improved practicalities to the countries you worked in, Jack.

Those makeshift wood traps look like a tiger would rip out of those like toothpicks. For anyone not familiar with just how large those tigers can get, it is worth a bit of research .

To actually have your hands on those lovely Amur Leopards, a chance most of the human population will never get to enjoy.

I can envision if you could have conducted trapping classes there to others , and how much more successful their work would have been in results.

Penny for your thoughts , in that last shot of you, with that wry smile.

Thank you, Jack for sharing.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742663
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Jack, any pix of the blow gun and maybe an explanation of why you went that route?


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742664
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Cool stuff!


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742678
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Imagine trying to sleep at night knowing this was what you where hoping was awaiting you when you ran your trap line in the morning .Even the mountain men trappers in the US where only dealing with some mean grizzly bear and some Native Americans that wanted to scalp them .I would think your sense where always on high alert .while running this type of trap line .

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742681
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Living the dream sir.


Would you mind giving a little background on what they were gaining from capturing these animals? I presume you were doing it for the Russian government or some other agency that wanted data, right?




Those scent trees must have been perfect for what you were doing. While nothing compared to your adventure, I’ve snared a hogs at their rub trees. Rub trees seem to be one of the best places for catching hogs when their behavior and need for such a strong anchor point are considered.



Thank you much for sharing, that was indeed a lifetime adventure

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742702
12/13/22 02:13 PM
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Hey Gulo, what was the tiger population like? Were you catching multiple tigers each day, 1 a week, 1 and done?

Another question of many, was it scary walking in that forest knowing there’s tigers around?


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: w side rd 151] #7742703
12/13/22 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
What were you catching them for?

The animals were fitted with radio-transmitters and released. We were gathering basic ecological information (food habits, home range, population density, etc.).


Originally Posted by Sharon
You brought such improved practicalities to the countries you worked in, Jack.
Penny for your thoughts , in that last shot of you, with that wry smile.

The learning went both ways, Sharon. I gave the Russians a little taste of western technology. They paid me back by teaching me how to be a naturalist. They could read sign like no others. They knew each and every plant, mammal, bird, insect. They taught me to "observe".

And yes, Sharon, that is me a few years ago. Like the beaver hat and the coyote ruff? The Russians teased me incessantly about the hat, but I think every one of them secretly wanted it.

Originally Posted by white17
Jack, any pix of the blow gun and maybe an explanation of why you went that route?

Yeah Ken. I switched over to using a blowgun to deliver the anesthetic simply because it was a "gentler" approach. The big cats and bears hit with a dart gun , heard the gun's report and felt the rather hard hit. They would usually explode in an attempt to escape. With the softer, quiet delivery from a blow gun, they most often wouldn't react at all when they were hit. I've taken to using the blowgun even for wolves,



Originally Posted by w side rd 151
Imagine trying to sleep at night knowing this was what you where hoping was awaiting you when you ran your trap line in the morning .Even the mountain men trappers in the US where only dealing with some mean grizzly bear and some Native Americans that wanted to scalp them .I would think your sense where always on high alert .while running this type of trap line .


Yes, west side, the daily anticipation was exciting. However, the density of target animals was extremely low, so catches were not common. Actually, got a bit tedious at times, because it was so long between captures. I would never characterize it as boring, as the country was ever-so-interesting. Too, in the back of your mind, you were always thinking of the tigers that periodically eat forest workers. Have you read the book "Tiger" by Vaillant? It was written about a rogue tiger in the area I was working in.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742704
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That is awesome!


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742712
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Thanks for that, Jack. Those siberian tigers are one of the most beautiful furred critters in the world. A very big version of a mountain bob!


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742715
12/13/22 02:24 PM
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That's kinda what I figured...thanks for the reply! Awesome adventure!


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742716
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... I’m jealous lol


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742721
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Thanks Jack. Were the drugs the same as used here and just as accessible ? Were your US drug permits honored there or did you have to jump through those hoops again over there ?


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742725
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Outstanding stuff . . thanks for sharing

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742733
12/13/22 02:51 PM
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You always look great in fur, Jack.

Yes I noticed your hat and coat ruff right away. Of course your Russian friends were jealous ! They well know the time honored use of fur, beaver also.

I heard a saying from a Russian acquaintance long ago, " There is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing ." With that nice accent . They specifically were speaking of fur. They laughed at fake plastic fur .

You fit right in with them , and they were comfortable to tease you cool


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742736
12/13/22 02:58 PM
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I know those Siberian Tigers can go over 700 pounds, a very, very big lion is 500

Gulo those Amur Leopards are gorgeous

I have that book but have not read it yet.

Have you read Dersu - The Trapper? If not I highly recommend it


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742747
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Amazing creatures and an amazing trapper. Thanks for sharing!!!!


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742748
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I would say, what a job! But, it’s not a job. It’s an adventure! Totally alsome!!! Thanks for the pictures and info.

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gator Foot] #7742765
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Originally Posted by white17
Thanks Jack. Were the drugs the same as used here and just as accessible ? Were your US drug permits honored there or did you have to jump through those hoops again over there ?

For anesthetization, we transported our own drugs over to Russia. The drugs we have on hand for various negative reactions we had to take over as well. Never was much of a hassle. The Russians had access to certain drugs, but they were not something I was familiar with. My certification for drug handling in the US seemed sufficient in Russia.

Originally Posted by MikeTraps2
I know those Siberian Tigers can go over 700 pounds, a very, very big lion is 500

Gulo those Amur Leopards are gorgeous

I have that book but have not read it yet.

Have you read Dersu - The Trapper? If not I highly recommend it

Mike; You need to sit a spell and read Vaillant's book, The Tiger: A true story of Vengeance and Survival. It's very well done in explaining in detail the way of life over there. I thought very accurate. Pretty much everyone in the book, I knew over there.
I've read Arseniev's book many times. Dersu Uzala was a gold (native) from the exact area I was working in. There's even a movie that the Japanese made of Dersu, the Trapper.


Originally Posted by Gator Foot
I would say, what a job! But, it’s not a job. It’s an adventure! Totally alsome!!! Thanks for the pictures and info.

You're right Gator Foot. Pretty much every job I've had for my life, in Idaho, Alaska, Russia, Mongolia, or wherever, has been nothing short of an adventure. However, in Russia there was the added hassles of KGB and Russian Mafia in about everything I did. Life has certainly spoiled me severely!


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: white17] #7742766
12/13/22 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by white17
Thanks Jack. Were the drugs the same as used here and just as accessible ? Were your US drug permits honored there or did you have to jump through those hoops again over there ?

whistle


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742771
12/13/22 03:40 PM
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Jack that's is the book about the poacher who wounded that tiger and it stalked him, waited for him then killed and ate him right?


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Originally Posted by MikeTraps2
Jack that's is the book about the poacher who wounded that tiger and it stalked him, waited for him then killed and ate him right?

Yes, that's the gist of it Mike. But there's a lot more to it than that. You gotta read it, man.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742780
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Those experiences had to be incrediblde! Gulo, have you written a book yet detailing your experiences here and abroad?

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742788
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Living legend.

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Ringneck1] #7742789
12/13/22 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ringneck1
Those experiences had to be incrediblde! Gulo, have you written a book yet detailing your experiences here and abroad?

Ringneck - Yes. I finally put a few of the experiences together in book form. It's called Wild Life: The Evolution and Misadventures of a Naturalist. If you're interested, it's available through Barnes & Noble, Amazon, Trafford Press, and elsewhere. If you want it autographed, I still have a few copies on hand I can send.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7742791
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Living legend.

Thanks Donner, but I'm thinking that's a bit overstated. I'm just a trapper. laugh


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742800
12/13/22 04:42 PM
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I pulled my copy off the shelf Jack, put it in queue behind, A Game Rangers Notebook & Cottar: The Exception was the Rule


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Originally Posted by Gulo
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Living legend.

Thanks Donner, but I'm thinking that's a bit overstated. I'm just a trapper. laugh



Yeah ! That's like saying Fibonacci taught grade school arithmetic.


Jack is just too humble to acknowledge what most all of his professional colleagues will readily tell you.

Jack has the most curious brain and the most detailed, organized disciplined approach to observing the real world than any of us duffers can imagine.

Many of us are fortunate to have been able to be exposed to thinking and delightful personality.........................not to embarrass him too much


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742811
12/13/22 04:55 PM
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I second that summery of the man. It is one thing to enjoy his articulations in written form, but to enjoy his company in face to face living colour is a delight , no matter if the discussion is of serious or humorous nature.

You can feel his inquiring mind in his expression, as he ponders what you are saying, looking you straight into your eyes.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742813
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Come on guys, I'm just a trapper. Lucky enough to pocket some fantastic experiences, but nothing more than a mediocre dirt trapper.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742830
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Originally Posted by Gulo
Originally Posted by Ringneck1
Those experiences had to be incrediblde! Gulo, have you written a book yet detailing your experiences here and abroad?

Ringneck - Yes. I finally put a few of the experiences together in book form. It's called Wild Life: The Evolution and Misadventures of a Naturalist. If you're interested, it's available through Barnes & Noble, Amazon, Trafford Press, and elsewhere. If you want it autographed, I still have a few copies on hand I can send.


Sweet. I'm sure wifey has got something to order off amazon. Thank you, looking forward to reading it.

Ring

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742864
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Amazing !! So I'm curious! What did the Russians think of the adrich snare ? Also did you guys ever come up with your own version ?


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That’s some cool stuff, I have read The Tiger by Vaillant and it’s one of the best books I have ever read. Jack if you read that book before going into the forest over there you are very brave. I wouldn’t want to get on one of those tiger’s bad side.

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Very cool pics.

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Your spoiling the viewers.....it's not even Friday
outstanding work
augh yes the KGB

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Good stuff! Always appreciate Gulo's posts...lots of nice eye candy!


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7743050
12/13/22 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulo
Originally Posted by Yukon John
What were you catching them for?

The animals were fitted with radio-transmitters and released. We were gathering basic ecological information (food habits, home range, population density, etc.).


Originally Posted by Sharon
You brought such improved practicalities to the countries you worked in, Jack.
Penny for your thoughts , in that last shot of you, with that wry smile.

The learning went both ways, Sharon. I gave the Russians a little taste of western technology. They paid me back by teaching me how to be a naturalist. They could read sign like no others. They knew each and every plant, mammal, bird, insect. They taught me to "observe".

And yes, Sharon, that is me a few years ago. Like the beaver hat and the coyote ruff? The Russians teased me incessantly about the hat, but I think every one of them secretly wanted it.

Originally Posted by white17
Jack, any pix of the blow gun and maybe an explanation of why you went that route?

Yeah Ken. I switched over to using a blowgun to deliver the anesthetic simply because it was a "gentler" approach. The big cats and bears hit with a dart gun , heard the gun's report and felt the rather hard hit. They would usually explode in an attempt to escape. With the softer, quiet delivery from a blow gun, they most often wouldn't react at all when they were hit. I've taken to using the blowgun even for wolves,



Originally Posted by w side rd 151
Imagine trying to sleep at night knowing this was what you where hoping was awaiting you when you ran your trap line in the morning .Even the mountain men trappers in the US where only dealing with some mean grizzly bear and some Native Americans that wanted to scalp them .I would think your sense where always on high alert .while running this type of trap line .


Yes, west side, the daily anticipation was exciting. However, the density of target animals was extremely low, so catches were not common. Actually, got a bit tedious at times, because it was so long between captures. I would never characterize it as boring, as the country was ever-so-interesting. Too, in the back of your mind, you were always thinking of the tigers that periodically eat forest workers. Have you read the book "Tiger" by Vaillant? It was written about a rogue tiger in the area I was working in.





Just finished this book and was fixing to ask about it. Where you there at around the time this happened? If not how much before or after? Were you near the same location in primorye as the events in “the Tiger”? Thanks for sharing


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Thirty years ago I was still in school, but I had a friend ten or fifteen years older than me that was offered a job to take his hounds over there and catch Siberian tigers, some that had already been collared in traps to retrieve/replace collars and also to catch additional ones to collar. He ended up turning the job down because he had two young kids and he would have had to been away without seeing them for a year. I wonder if those tigers he would have been catching to replace collars on would have been ones you originally trapped?

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Originally Posted by bearcat2
Thirty years ago I was still in school, but I had a friend ten or fifteen years older than me that was offered a job to take his hounds over there and catch Siberian tigers, some that had already been collared in traps to retrieve/replace collars and also to catch additional ones to collar. He ended up turning the job down because he had two young kids and he would have had to been away without seeing them for a year. I wonder if those tigers he would have been catching to replace collars on would have been ones you originally trapped?

That is/woulda been a cool story.


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Thirty years ago I was still in school, but I had a friend ten or fifteen years older than me that was offered a job to take his hounds over there and catch Siberian tigers, some that had already been collared in traps to retrieve/replace collars and also to catch additional ones to collar. He ended up turning the job down because he had two young kids and he would have had to been away without seeing them for a year. I wonder if those tigers he would have been catching to replace collars on would have been ones you originally trapped?

bearcat2 - I got no doubt it was the same project. We talked a lot about bringing over a cracker-jack houndsman, both for the tigers and leopards. Couldn't find the right person that could commit that kind of time. Also, I remember the Russians were talking a long time in kennels (puppy prison) before they would allow the dogs to be used. Would have been difficult. The research institute I was working for was based in Moscow, Idaho.


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As always fantastic pictures and stories to go with them . I like so many others truly appreciate you taking the time to share with us I hope it plants the seed in a young persons heart to fallow into a lifestyle similar to what you have done and accomplished Jack thank you .


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Thanks for sharing your experiences. Do those big cats fight those foot snares hard? Do they act similar to bobcats only bigger?

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Did you ever work with Bart schleyer over there?

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Originally Posted by Dean Chapel
Did you ever work with Bart schleyer over there?


Bart was my replacement on the tiger project when I went down to start the leopard work, so yes, Bart and I overlapped in Russia. Then, I got to know him very well in Alaska. His girlfriend and my wife (both Russians) were very close friends. After Bart's passing, his girlfriend and son went to live with my wife in Baltimore where she was working. So, absolutely, we were very close. I took him out and dropped him off on some epic solo hunts in the Alaska Range.


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Originally Posted by learch
Thanks for sharing your experiences. Do those big cats fight those foot snares hard? Do they act similar to bobcats only bigger?


Generally, the big cats don't fight extraordinarily hard. The leopards were not much different than trapping mtn lions here in Idaho (for the Fish and Game for research purposes; lions are not legal to trap in Idaho). The tigers are just so darn big and strong, they'll ruin most any gear.


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Jack your to modest, your the sort of gentlemen that other folks write books about!

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Mr. Jack you happen to ever run shoulders with the Darine Simpson guy? Remember seeing him on various shows using the adrich snares to catch lions tigers hyenas and the like


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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Mr. Jack you happen to ever run shoulders with the Darine Simpson guy? Remember seeing him on various shows using the adrich snares to catch lions tigers hyenas and the like



Wolfie -

No, can't say that I even recognize the name. Sure sounds like an interesting guy to know. I haven't had a TV for about 3 decades though, so that's prolly why I don't know who the guy is. grin


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Very cool stuff Gulo! Always enjoy your posts, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Gulo

Generally, the big cats don't fight extraordinarily hard. The leopards were not much different than trapping mtn lions here in Idaho (for the Fish and Game for research purposes; lions are not legal to trap in Idaho). The tigers are just so darn big and strong, they'll ruin most any gear.


20 yrs ago I was viewing the tiger exhibit at the Omaha zoo and a guy and his family walked up beside us. The way he was dressed and the way he carried himself made me think he was a feedlot hand. Anyway the tiger wasn't just big, it was fat so I ask the guy what he thought the Dern thing would weigh. We both agreed if it wasnt 800# it was awful close to it

I can only imagine what any type of gear would look like after catching one of those brutes!


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I never met you Jack, but I did meet and talk to Bart. That was before he went to Russia. He had already lived an adventure or two himself!


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Originally Posted by Gulo
Originally Posted by Yukon John
What were you catching them for?

The animals were fitted with radio-transmitters and released. We were gathering basic ecological information (food habits, home range, population density, etc.).


Originally Posted by Sharon
You brought such improved practicalities to the countries you worked in, Jack.
Penny for your thoughts , in that last shot of you, with that wry smile.

The learning went both ways, Sharon. I gave the Russians a little taste of western technology. They paid me back by teaching me how to be a naturalist. They could read sign like no others. They knew each and every plant, mammal, bird, insect. They taught me to "observe".

And yes, Sharon, that is me a few years ago. Like the beaver hat and the coyote ruff? The Russians teased me incessantly about the hat, but I think every one of them secretly wanted it.

Originally Posted by white17
Jack, any pix of the blow gun and maybe an explanation of why you went that route?

Yeah Ken. I switched over to using a blowgun to deliver the anesthetic simply because it was a "gentler" approach. The big cats and bears hit with a dart gun , heard the gun's report and felt the rather hard hit. They would usually explode in an attempt to escape. With the softer, quiet delivery from a blow gun, they most often wouldn't react at all when they were hit. I've taken to using the blowgun even for wolves,



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Imagine trying to sleep at night knowing this was what you where hoping was awaiting you when you ran your trap line in the morning .Even the mountain men trappers in the US where only dealing with some mean grizzly bear and some Native Americans that wanted to scalp them .I would think your sense where always on high alert .while running this type of trap line .


Yes, west side, the daily anticipation was exciting. However, the density of target animals was extremely low, so catches were not common. Actually, got a bit tedious at times, because it was so long between captures. I would never characterize it as boring, as the country was ever-so-interesting. Too, in the back of your mind, you were always thinking of the tigers that periodically eat forest workers. Have you read the book "Tiger" by Vaillant? It was written about a rogue tiger in the area I was working in.


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Since I’m not clear on the timing of when you were there. Did you work alongside anyone from inspection tiger like from the book by Valliant? Were you working in the Bikin River valley ever? Sobolonye? That book really captured my imagination, the descriptions of the countryside in that region, dense almost rainforest, -60
F degrees, tigers, leopards, poachers, bears, ussurian hogs so big i can’t imagine. I would love to see some pictures of the terrain or just hear about it. Thanks for sharing what you already have, the pictures are awesome.


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Derek -

I was there in 1993 and 1994. Inspection tiger was barely in its infancy. I went back a few times up until 2001 to visit my in-laws and to hunt. I met most of the Inspection teams. Almost every photo in Vaillant's book, I knew those people, as they worked peripherally on the tiger or leopard project. I thought John did a very good job at depicting the life of those folks in the Bikin and around Sobolonye. I actually lived north and east of Sobolonye in Terney for the tiger work, then I moved down to Kedrovaya Pad (west and south of Vladivostok) for the leopard work. The hunting I did later over there was north and east of Vlad near Lazovskiy Reserve.

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Wow what an adventure! You have seen/done some really awesome stuff


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Originally Posted by newhouse114
I never met you Jack, but I did meet and talk to Bart. That was before he went to Russia. He had already lived an adventure or two himself!


In my estimation, Bart Schleyer was the real deal. There was nobody that had higher standards for a hunt. I dropped him off for a week on the north side of the Alaska Range where I knew there would be no other hunters. Of course he was bow hunting. When I flew back to pick him up, he didn't have a moose. He remarked all the way home (for over an hour) that it was, bar none, the absolute best moose hunt he'd ever been on. He said he was within 5 feet of 70" bulls every day. Counted coup a couple of times.. He said he was having too good of a time to actually kill one. Quite a guy.

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