Re: quail
[Re: coop]
#7743692
12/14/22 05:26 PM
12/14/22 05:26 PM
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Joined: Oct 2013
East of the Mason-Dixon Line
DelawareRob
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East of the Mason-Dixon Line
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Any solid data on where our eastern states bobwhite quail went? They've gone from a healthy population to none in 25 years or so... predator protection, pesticides, habitat loss??? DE years end hunter data listed not 1 wild quail killed statewide, but yet we still have a season with a 5 bird limit. Yes, quail populations are non-existent. There are a few populations near cedar swamp and Bombay hook NWR. Fish and wildlife is trying to rebuild populations with help from outside NGO’s. Rob Hossler is the guy to talk to about open seasons and why they aren’t closed. A lot has to do with them not wanting to take hunting opportunities away from hunters. Causes are many. One being in my opinion is destruction of edge and row habitat from farming. They till all the way to the road or woods and give no place for quail to live. As well as using pesticides and herbicides to kill all their food.
Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!
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Re: quail
[Re: gcs]
#7743726
12/14/22 06:01 PM
12/14/22 06:01 PM
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Joined: Dec 2021
Louisiana
MattLA
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Louisiana
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The largest factor in quail population reductions are because of habitat loss, but remember habitat doesn't just have to be on public land designated for recreation. It can be your back yard, your front yard, land you might own. The biggest impact is that humans mow way too much grass which kills their habitat tremendously. If you have quail, you need to just forget about bush hogging the grass at all and let it grow big.
It might sound silly, but look cutting grass is a waste of time and it does nothing to reduce snake encounters with humans. This is a myth that was propagated by the big lawnmower companies to do what? Sell more lawnmowers. We are now right at 12 months of me not cutting my grass at all front or back and the results are tremendous. Now how do we get to still use our land and get around? I cut pathways that I will maintain, but man it's 1000x better than wasting all that time cutting grass. The bird population has just about tripled, my rabbit population has easily doubled and my yard stays cooler than my neighbors by 1-3 degrees on average. The other thing too is that since I grow a good amount of the food we eat, my water usage was severely reduced in comparison because the grass being tall held in moisture a lot better, which kept the general area that surrounds where we plant stuff with a higher moisture level.
Before I cut my grass, I would always see this little non-venomous snakes, and I still see them. I have not seen a venomous snake at all, nor have I seen a big snake in general at all. My 3 kids and dog play in the yard, it hasn't been an issue at all and only has been beneficial in my mind. Just saying, the animals need the tall grass to thrive, and survive from natural predators, us cutting grass really low just makes this worse.
Last edited by MattLA; 12/15/22 01:50 AM.
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Re: quail
[Re: nate]
#7743771
12/14/22 07:01 PM
12/14/22 07:01 PM
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Joined: Oct 2011
Western Shore Delaware
SJA
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Western Shore Delaware
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Conservation and fish and wildlife dept.are corrupt just another government run pos. Not necessarily corrupt, just getting management positions and politicians infiltrated by tree huggers, bird watchers, and anti-hunting personnel.
"Humans are the hardest people to get along with." Dr. Phillip Snow
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Re: quail
[Re: MattLA]
#7743792
12/14/22 07:30 PM
12/14/22 07:30 PM
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Joined: Mar 2015
Alabama
Coonman300
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Alabama
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The largest factor in quail population reductions are because of habitat loss, but remember habitat doesn't just have to be on public land designated for recreation. It can be your back yard, your front yard, land you might own. The biggest impact is that humans mow way too much grass which kills their habitat tremendously. If you have quail, you need to just forget about bush hogging the grass at all and let it grow big.
It might sound silly, but look cutting grass is a waste of time and it does nothing to reduce snake encounters with humans. This is a myth that was propagated by the big lawnmower companies to do what? Sell more lawnmowers. We are now right at 12 months of me not cutting my grass at all front or back and the results are tremendous. Now how do we get to still use our land and get around? I cut pathways that I will maintain, but man it's 1000x better than wasting all that time cutting grass. The bird population has just about tripled, my rabbit population has easily doubled and my yard stays cooler than my neighbors by 1-3 degrees on average. The other thing too is that since I grow a good amount of the food we eat, my water usage was severely reduced in comparison because the grass being tall held in moisture a lot better, which kept the general area that surrounds where we plant stuff with a higher moisture level.
Before I cut my grass, I would always see this little non-venomous snakes, and I still see them. I have no seen a venomous snake at all, nor have I seen a big snake in general at all. My 3 kids and dog play in the yard, it hasn't been an issue at all and only has been beneficial in my mind. Just saying, the animals need the tall grass to thrive, and survive from natural predators, us cutting grass really low just makes this worse. When possible, please post some pics of what your yard looks like after a year without being cut. I assume at some point you will need to mow/bush hog to cut down sweetgums etc? I have some areas that I’ve let go like this but they had never been maintained much anyway. Thanks
War Eagle!
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Re: quail
[Re: coop]
#7743798
12/14/22 07:34 PM
12/14/22 07:34 PM
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Joined: Apr 2009
South Ga - Almost Florida
Swamp Wolf
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South Ga - Almost Florida
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Yep^^^^
Grass...then shrubs...then trees. Every succession stage has its benefits for wildlife but quail need early stage...not shrubs and trees that will take over in time.
Thank God For Your Blessings! Never Half-Arse Anything!
Resource Protection Service
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Re: quail
[Re: coop]
#7744165
12/15/22 08:30 AM
12/15/22 08:30 AM
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Joined: Oct 2007
North Central Kansas
Orlando
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North Central Kansas
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In north central Kansas, we had quite a few pheasants and quail up until maybe 2000 and then went for 10 or 15 years where the quail had disappeared. Later, the pheasants disappeared. Just a few years ago, the quail made a come back. Not so for pheasants. I believe we have had as much change in farming practices as anywhere. So, I am hopeful that you will eventually see a rebound of quail. Personally, I think it is a combination of causes including but not limited to West Nile virus, change in farming practices - no-till and herbicides, lack of edge, cool season grasses, and predation (racoons, skunks, possums, hawks)
On my ground, I probably have more later succession (trees) in some areas than ideal for quail as I like to have deer too. However, I do promote NWSG, plant shrubs such as American plum and fragrant sumac - which provide great cover and bare ground, and run cattle (which I think can be helpful if not everything is grazed completely. It can provide a lot of edge.) I also try to drop the hammer on nest raiders...although probably not as much as I should to be effective.
My 2 cents.
Nature is reckless of the individual. Aldo Leupold.
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