My background with guns was they were used as a tool to harvest game or some form of protection. Dealing with varmints of all kinds. Punching paper for sake of punching paper was a waste of good ammo. Practice was so when you cut down on game or a varmint, you stood a good chance of hitting it. A month or so back I was shooting some load ladders for load development and got ridiculed by a family member for taking more than a couple shots to sight in my rifle. Was told that anybody who can't shoot better than that needs to give it up. That kind of attitude.

Almost all the new calibers seem to be geared to one thing and one thing only. Punching paper or banging steel somewhere over the horizon. Has almost no practical application to someone harvesting game or dealing with varmints and in our part of the woods, 90% of that is going to take place inside of 200 yards. Nobody clicks, nobody windages, nobody worries about drop. Comparing a 140 grain bullet out of a 6.5 creed to a 140 grain Nosler partition out a 270 running 3100 fps, latter wins that one most of the time. In fact, almost all the wildcats and new 6 and 6.5 calibers all seem to be trying to get to 270 level of performance, and failing.

One needs to partake of a healthy dose of reality now and then.

I dial if I need to, took a turkey last fall season at 336 yards with my AR-10 6.5 creed,, dialed a bit of up (2.5 moa) turkey head is not much to shoot at using holdover

also for kicks and giggles dialed a bit of up on this buck at 403, wouldn't have had to but had the time

mainly because the more you spin turrets the better they track

and aa 6.5 PRC will run a 140 at 3200, a better BC at a higher velocity in a lighter rifle is not failing.

I got several deer rifles. They all kill stuff just fine. I grab my old 270 most of the time. If your a gun manufacturer you got to reinvent the wheel pretty regular to keep sales up. If people found out a 12 gauge a 22 rimfire and a 270
Would do any chore you need a firearm to do, they wouldn’t make much money

Well that’s just great Danny, cats outta the bag now!

Osky

The thing most people ignore about the 30-06 length cases is that you get good performance with low pressure, and your barrels don't burn out.

The craziness of the last coupla years has convinced me to stick with calibers that are common and more likely attainable during tough times. Current US Military calibers returned to our shelves the soonest, cheapest, and in widest variety. We are unable to mail-order ammo and many components to Alaska. Thus, 7.62/.308 has become my caliber of choice. I am interested in the new 6.8x51 milspec round, aka .277 Sig Fury. I haven't seen any rifles or rounds show up yet in that caliber, I suspect it will be a few years before it gets established in the civ market.

I can catch any critter in this state with a 1.5 duke, but what's the fun in that???? lol

The more the merrier!

Trading mine for a camera and lens.
Maybe make shooting affordable again.

Ain't that the truth!

Yeah I feel this completely. I think the main thing is most people don't want to really understand anything they just want a quick simple fix to a problem. Then when you put enough into marketing peoel just think " well heck if they talk so much about it it must be great !" Vey few people I've seen will actually look at what they do and break down their needs and how they work enough to really get the most out of a gun) cartridge.
That and very few people question much if it's said by people they think know what their talking about. That or they just don't apply basic logic because it's " too complicated"

Reminds me of a guy I was talking to in the military. He was one of these wanna be gang bangers talking about pistols and stuff. I just shrugged and said it would make more sense to just set up and do it 2-300m with a rifle. Guy looks dead at me with the most just irritated face and says " YIU CANT SHOOT SOMONE THAT FAR AWAY ! THE BULL CANT GO THAT FAR !" Raised an eye brow and told him we shoot qual targets about to 300m . Dude was just lost from there on our

I've had basically the same conversations with guys over stuff like the .270 and 6.5 creed. I'll be at the range with my grendel and they'll ask and start up telling me I need a .270 or a 6.5creed and when I ask them ok what's so great about it, it's usually the same parroted stuff. Honestly it feels like a sermon sometimes lol.

It's funny though when I get around guys who really knows what their talking about it's never just some catchy thing like " O yeah this was JACK I CONNERS FAVORITE!" Or with the creedmore guys " man this is this has more energy down range something some BC something something wind bucking". It's never anything like that . Most of the time it's " o man I just really like it . It's not the best but due to ABCD and XYZ I personally love it" have been at the range talking to those types to look at the other guys just rolling their eyes or even have people telling us where fudds it over complicated.

What I'm trying to say is the avenge gun owner really didn't know much more past whatever gets told to them first and what looks the best . Like the joke one of my buddies tells alot. See a guy with Craftsmen and DeWalt he either really know what he likes or he just is really good at doing what he's told.