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DPs and Drags #7748745 12/20/22 12:53 PM 12/20/22 12:53 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 381 Carlisle, PA T trap-alaska OP trapper
trap-alaska OP trapper T Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 381 Carlisle, PA	I have always staked my DPs with pogos and cable but after listening to some people I tried a few grapples. I prehooked them all to brush and had two pull out this morning after wrapping up in the brush and pressing the spring. I never had a pull out when I was staking them in more open area, away from entanglement. Am I doing something wrong or is that just the price to pay for the speed of setting grapples?

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7748766 12/20/22 01:10 PM 12/20/22 01:10 PM
Joined: May 2018 Posts: 11,009 SW Georgia W Wanna Be trapper
Wanna Be trapper W Joined: May 2018 Posts: 11,009 SW Georgia	What DP’s? I guess they could wrap up and depress the spring enough to get out, but it takes quite a bit of pressure for me to even set them.

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7748782 12/20/22 01:28 PM 12/20/22 01:28 PM
Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 87 Central Texas C Centex Trapper trapper
Centex Trapper trapper C Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 87 Central Texas	I think it is just bad luck. staking with no entanglement is more of a sure thing. But nothing is fool proof. Just keep setting and catching. You’ll probably catch the coons that pulled out in a few days. Just keep at it. Bridges Predator Control Serving Central Texas

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: Wanna Be] #7748785 12/20/22 01:31 PM 12/20/22 01:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 381 Carlisle, PA T trap-alaska OP trapper
trap-alaska OP trapper T Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 381 Carlisle, PA	Bridger DPs. Probably held 100 over the past couple years and never had a pull out, now I had two today the first time using grapples. We'll see what happens the rest of the week. Last edited by trap-alaska; 12/20/22 01:31 PM.

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7748786 12/20/22 01:31 PM 12/20/22 01:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,184 Marion Kansas Y Yes sir "Callie's little brother"
Yes sir "Callie's little brother" Y Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,184 Marion Kansas	Experience is better than opinion

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: Yes sir] #7748809 12/20/22 01:57 PM 12/20/22 01:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 381 Carlisle, PA T trap-alaska OP trapper
trap-alaska OP trapper T Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 381 Carlisle, PA	Originally Posted by Yes sir Experience is better than opinion What's that mean?

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7748832 12/20/22 02:30 PM 12/20/22 02:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,184 Marion Kansas Y Yes sir "Callie's little brother"
Yes sir "Callie's little brother" Y Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,184 Marion Kansas	Just means put more value in what ur actually seeing than what people what people opinions are.

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7748871 12/20/22 03:27 PM 12/20/22 03:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,701 Rodney,Ohio SNIPERBBB trapper
SNIPERBBB trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,701 Rodney,Ohio	I almost exclusively run cables or drags on DPs and as such get into entanglement a lot. Think the only time ive lost coon is when they dived off the top of a bank with 10 ft of cable. If you lose one out of a hundred coon, i wouldn't worry about it. http://www.sniperstrappingplace.com/tmansearch.php

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7755584 12/27/22 09:51 AM 12/27/22 09:51 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 381 Carlisle, PA T trap-alaska OP trapper
trap-alaska OP trapper T Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 381 Carlisle, PA	So to follow-up. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I caught three more coon in DPs on drags and the tangled in the brush and pulled out. I caught 5 around cattails and weedy fiels that hung up nicely and did not pull out. I caught 22 staked in teh open and had zero pull outs. These are fairly new Bridger DPs and feel pretty strong. All of the pull outs had the chain wrapped right up to the trap so they could get some leverage. Basically, I had 100% pullouts on DPs that were wrapped tight in the brush and 0% in any other situation. I'm thinking I will keep using the pogos and staking away from cover since that seems to work best for me.

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7755592 12/27/22 10:08 AM 12/27/22 10:08 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,701 Rodney,Ohio SNIPERBBB trapper
SNIPERBBB trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,701 Rodney,Ohio	I kinda wonder if thats a function of the trigger on the bridgers. As i recall, they had the heaviest trigger pull on the market so when the trap fires the coon might not be as deep in the trap as others like a well adjusted FB1. http://www.sniperstrappingplace.com/tmansearch.php

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7755663 12/27/22 12:39 PM 12/27/22 12:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,960 Northern Nevada B Bob trapper
Bob trapper B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,960 Northern Nevada	Could be that being wrapped up so tight is allowing the coon to press the springs up against the brush and take off enough pressure to pull out. I would not run drags on any trap I thought would catch a coon "I have two guns, one for each of ya."

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7755784 12/27/22 04:06 PM 12/27/22 04:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,170 Surry county, NC G Hose trapper
G Hose trapper Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,170 Surry county, NC	Are they tangling up around trees/ logs? If so they are probably pulling on the trees/logs. Anything sturdy enough for them to pull on an it not move. What I’ve had happen myself. I quit staking close to such things a started staking so they are out of reach of such things.

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7755849 12/27/22 05:18 PM 12/27/22 05:18 PM
Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 10,735 Iowa T trapdog1 trapper
trapdog1 trapper T Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 10,735 Iowa	Originally Posted by trap-alaska So to follow-up. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I caught three more coon in DPs on drags and the tangled in the brush and pulled out. I caught 5 around cattails and weedy fiels that hung up nicely and did not pull out. I caught 22 staked in teh open and had zero pull outs. These are fairly new Bridger DPs and feel pretty strong. All of the pull outs had the chain wrapped right up to the trap so they could get some leverage. Basically, I had 100% pullouts on DPs that were wrapped tight in the brush and 0% in any other situation. I'm thinking I will keep using the pogos and staking away from cover since that seems to work best for me. I believe you have come to the right conclusion!

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trapdog1] #7755860 12/27/22 05:27 PM 12/27/22 05:27 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 12,503 South Ga - Almost Florida S Swamp Wolf trapper
Swamp Wolf trapper S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 12,503 South Ga - Almost Florida	Originally Posted by trapdog1 Originally Posted by trap-alaska So to follow-up. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I caught three more coon in DPs on drags and the tangled in the brush and pulled out. I caught 5 around cattails and weedy fiels that hung up nicely and did not pull out. I caught 22 staked in teh open and had zero pull outs. These are fairly new Bridger DPs and feel pretty strong. All of the pull outs had the chain wrapped right up to the trap so they could get some leverage. Basically, I had 100% pullouts on DPs that were wrapped tight in the brush and 0% in any other situation. I'm thinking I will keep using the pogos and staking away from cover since that seems to work best for me. I believe you have come to the right conclusion! I think he has too... I stake with 20" stakes where they can't reach anything. I also use some 6' cable extensions and half-hitch to 4" to 8" trees at the water's edge but I'm careful to stay away from brush. Only coons I've ever had pull out of DPs were wrapped up tight in brush like the op had... Btw...I use only Ztraps. Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 12/27/22 05:28 PM. Thank God For Your Blessings! Never Half-Arse Anything! Resource Protection Service

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7756066 12/27/22 09:01 PM 12/27/22 09:01 PM
Joined: Jun 2019 Posts: 624 Arkansas A Artrapper16 trapper
Artrapper16 trapper A Joined: Jun 2019 Posts: 624 Arkansas	I’ve had to really watch where i stake or cable my traps to because what I’ve found is if a coon is tied to one tree and can get around another tree or even a limb that I didn’t see up on the tree that I cabled to. They will use leverage to pull themselves out of the trap. I don’t believe that they are compressing the springs at least not the pullouts I’ve had.

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7756091 12/27/22 09:24 PM 12/27/22 09:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 265 PA F Flint Lock trapper
Flint Lock trapper F Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 265 PA	I don't trust grapples for anything. I don't have time to go find my catches and where I trap there's too much chance for trouble if the critter makes it too far. I use either earth anchors, 2" staple driven into a tree or log, or aircraft cable wrapped around log or heavy cinder block. With any of these, as someone else said you need to make sure there isn't something nearby the coon can grab on to or they will pull themselves free.

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7756186 12/27/22 10:47 PM 12/27/22 10:47 PM
Joined: May 2018 Posts: 11,009 SW Georgia W Wanna Be trapper
Wanna Be trapper W Joined: May 2018 Posts: 11,009 SW Georgia	All I have used up until last your were Duke DP’s. Bought some “like” new Bridgers from MTP last year and I’ve yet to have a pull out from either. I guess if there’s a foot there I’d consider it a pull out. And most of these are cabled to a tree. I’ve had them wrapped around other trees and brush so bad I’ve almost cut the cable after dispatching the coon, lol. How they can weave in and out and tie knots is beyond me. Only “drag” I’ve ever used for them is F150 brake rotors and haven’t had one move it yet. Those are mostly thrown in the creek with the DP placed at the edge of the water.

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: Flint Lock] #7756231 12/27/22 11:49 PM 12/27/22 11:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,960 Northern Nevada B Bob trapper
Bob trapper B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,960 Northern Nevada	Originally Posted by Flint Lock I don't trust grapples for anything. I don't have time to go find my catches and where I trap there's too much chance for trouble if the critter makes it too far. I use either earth anchors, 2" staple driven into a tree or log, or aircraft cable wrapped around log or heavy cinder block. With any of these, as someone else said you need to make sure there isn't something nearby the coon can grab on to or they will pull themselves free. Drags are invaluable in a lot of situations. They are the standard for most trappers in this area, the more I use them the less I like my super stakes. BUT they are not good for other areas/situations. "I have two guns, one for each of ya."

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trap-alaska] #7756363 12/28/22 07:50 AM 12/28/22 07:50 AM
Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 8,378 Firth, Nebraska jabNE trapper
jabNE trapper Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 8,378 Firth, Nebraska	If you ever had to drive home to get an extension ladder so you could get your coon and trap on a grapple out of a big cottonwood tree… Not a fan for coon, and I stake all of mine solid ever since that day. Pick locations where the catch is already out of site, it’s sooooo much easier than climbing trees. Jim Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can buy you a trapping license and that's pretty close.

Re: DPs and Drags [Re: trapdog1] #7756474 12/28/22 11:09 AM 12/28/22 11:09 AM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 16,407 Iowa ~ADC~ The Count
~ADC~ The Count Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 16,407 Iowa	Originally Posted by trapdog1 Originally Posted by trap-alaska So to follow-up. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I caught three more coon in DPs on drags and the tangled in the brush and pulled out. I caught 5 around cattails and weedy fiels that hung up nicely and did not pull out. I caught 22 staked in teh open and had zero pull outs. These are fairly new Bridger DPs and feel pretty strong. All of the pull outs had the chain wrapped right up to the trap so they could get some leverage. Basically, I had 100% pullouts on DPs that were wrapped tight in the brush and 0% in any other situation. I'm thinking I will keep using the pogos and staking away from cover since that seems to work best for me. I believe you have come to the right conclusion! Yep. I would never put a coon trap on a drag either.

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