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This supported or off hand ? #7753538
12/24/22 07:56 PM
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So got two buddies arguing right now of my shooting position. On says it's supported one says it's technically offhand. I think technically anything that's not sanding with no support is supported right ?
What say y'all ?
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Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753540
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I call it freehand because you're not using a bi/tripod, tree or bench

Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753566
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I'd call it supported, but definitely in a different class than bench rest.

I agree offhand is standing, using no part of the body to support the firearm except arms and the shoulder, obviously (no elbow on belly).

Like this:
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That's a cute AR you are using.

Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753567
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With elbows on the knees it is supported.

Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753574
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Supported


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Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753621
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supported nice socially accepted semi-auto by the way


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Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753639
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Anything where either arm is rested "supported" by a non moving object is a supported position

Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753641
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Supported. A two legged shooting stick would be good to have.


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Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753642
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Call it whatever you want. Its sure helps to keep the rifle from moving. Much preferred to standing


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Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: k snow] #7753710
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Originally Posted by k snow
I'd call it supported, but definitely in a different class than bench rest.

I agree offhand is standing, using no part of the body to support the firearm except arms and the shoulder, obviously (no elbow on belly).

Like this:
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That's a cute AR you are using.


So take it this would count as supported , correct?
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Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: jeff karsten] #7753713
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
supported nice socially accepted semi-auto by the way

It identifies as a single shot grin wink


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Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753717
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They way that shooter has his elbow braced against his abdomen would not be allowed in muzzleloader offhand matches. Not sure about other target rifle matches.

Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: k snow] #7753719
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Originally Posted by k snow
They way that shooter has his elbow braced against his abdomen would not be allowed in muzzleloader offhand matches. Not sure about other target rifle matches.

Gotcha ! Yeah I'd do horrible then , I'm jittery as all get out


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Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753725
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In three position matches, prone, sitting/kneeling, and standing are all considered unsupported, whereas no part of the firearm is touching anything but the shooter.

Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753733
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by k snow
They way that shooter has his elbow braced against his abdomen would not be allowed in muzzleloader offhand matches. Not sure about other target rifle matches.

Gotcha ! Yeah I'd do horrible then , I'm jittery as all get out


Right elbow held level, left elbow straight down. Pulled in snug. Full breath in, half out through nose, hold with diaphragm. Back nice and straight. And a rifle with good hang helps a lot. I am no good with lightweight, modern rifles. I like a bit of muzzleweight, it helps me to steady the hold. Upper body strength helps too.

Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753737
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Do they not teach rifle marksmanship in the Army anymore?

Yes, it is supported. As is the use of the sling. Prone would be supported as well.

Basically anything that keeps the chicken wings planted solid and not flapping is some form of support. Some supports are better than others, though.


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Re: This supported or off hand ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7753739
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because you are not resting the gun it isn't rested

you would be in cross legged seated and it appears no sling

some rested positions
bench rested front and rear bags it really doesn't get any more supported than this
bench rest only something under the forearm hand at the back
bipod with rear bag
bipod no bag
tripod
shooting sticks
improvised rest


some common unrested positions and you can add a sling to any of these to stabilize them more some may consider a sling supported.
it is probably much more accurate to call it cross legged seated as , rested , supported and offhand don't really define how controled the rifle is
prone with a loop sling is very controlled
prone
cross legged seated
open leg seated
kneeling
standing

add a GI web sling to that in a loop sling configuration and move the support arm elbow so isn't on the rollie end get flat to flat inside of the leg or hook it past the knee so the back of the arm is on the front of the knee (don't eat to much for lunch it makes this really hard) I knew one guy who could get both elbows in front of his legs it was crazy stable but doesn't work for me.
trigger arm elbow get inside the knee and that will be even more stable.
then make sure you check your npoa at full exhale and adjust the body to get npoa


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Originally Posted by warrior
Do they not teach rifle marksmanship in the Army anymore?

Yes, it is supported. As is the use of the sling. Prone would be supported as well.

Basically anything that keeps the chicken wings planted solid and not flapping is some form of support. Some supports are better than others, though.


no they don't teach traditional marksmanship in the army any more from what I am told thus one of the easiest ways to get a pay raise for most people is go to a Appleseed learn the marksmanship then go back and shoot expert.


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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by k snow
I'd call it supported, but definitely in a different class than bench rest.

I agree offhand is standing, using no part of the body to support the firearm except arms and the shoulder, obviously (no elbow on belly).

Like this:
[Linked Image]

That's a cute AR you are using.


So take it this would count as supported , correct?
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no he isn't using the sling they strap it tight like that when not in use so ti doesn't catch the wind and move the rifle , High power standing is no sling use.

clearly a glove and shooting jacket do provide more support but that isn't considered a supported position

but with out stating what the position and aids your not really accurately defining it either.


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