This supported or off hand ?
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12/24/22 07:56 PM
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So got two buddies arguing right now of my shooting position. On says it's supported one says it's technically offhand. I think technically anything that's not sanding with no support is supported right ? What say y'all ? ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2022/12/full-34110-162326-screenshot_20221224_172414_174.png)
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Re: This supported or off hand ?
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12/24/22 08:21 PM
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I'd call it supported, but definitely in a different class than bench rest. I agree offhand is standing, using no part of the body to support the firearm except arms and the shoulder, obviously (no elbow on belly). Like this: ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2022/12/full-13020-162327-img_1891.jpg) That's a cute AR you are using.
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Re: This supported or off hand ?
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12/24/22 09:29 PM
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Call it whatever you want. Its sure helps to keep the rifle from moving. Much preferred to standing
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Re: This supported or off hand ?
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12/24/22 10:52 PM
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I'd call it supported, but definitely in a different class than bench rest. I agree offhand is standing, using no part of the body to support the firearm except arms and the shoulder, obviously (no elbow on belly). Like this: ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2022/12/full-13020-162327-img_1891.jpg) That's a cute AR you are using. So take it this would count as supported , correct? ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2022/12/full-34110-162342-us_navy_rifle_and_pistol_championships.jpg)
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Re: This supported or off hand ?
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12/24/22 10:58 PM
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They way that shooter has his elbow braced against his abdomen would not be allowed in muzzleloader offhand matches. Not sure about other target rifle matches. Gotcha ! Yeah I'd do horrible then , I'm jittery as all get out
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Re: This supported or off hand ?
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12/24/22 11:12 PM
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They way that shooter has his elbow braced against his abdomen would not be allowed in muzzleloader offhand matches. Not sure about other target rifle matches. Gotcha ! Yeah I'd do horrible then , I'm jittery as all get out Right elbow held level, left elbow straight down. Pulled in snug. Full breath in, half out through nose, hold with diaphragm. Back nice and straight. And a rifle with good hang helps a lot. I am no good with lightweight, modern rifles. I like a bit of muzzleweight, it helps me to steady the hold. Upper body strength helps too.
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Re: This supported or off hand ?
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12/24/22 11:20 PM
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because you are not resting the gun it isn't rested
you would be in cross legged seated and it appears no sling
some rested positions bench rested front and rear bags it really doesn't get any more supported than this bench rest only something under the forearm hand at the back bipod with rear bag bipod no bag tripod shooting sticks improvised rest
some common unrested positions and you can add a sling to any of these to stabilize them more some may consider a sling supported. it is probably much more accurate to call it cross legged seated as , rested , supported and offhand don't really define how controled the rifle is prone with a loop sling is very controlled prone cross legged seated open leg seated kneeling standing
add a GI web sling to that in a loop sling configuration and move the support arm elbow so isn't on the rollie end get flat to flat inside of the leg or hook it past the knee so the back of the arm is on the front of the knee (don't eat to much for lunch it makes this really hard) I knew one guy who could get both elbows in front of his legs it was crazy stable but doesn't work for me. trigger arm elbow get inside the knee and that will be even more stable. then make sure you check your npoa at full exhale and adjust the body to get npoa
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Re: This supported or off hand ?
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12/24/22 11:26 PM
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Do they not teach rifle marksmanship in the Army anymore?
Yes, it is supported. As is the use of the sling. Prone would be supported as well.
Basically anything that keeps the chicken wings planted solid and not flapping is some form of support. Some supports are better than others, though.
no they don't teach traditional marksmanship in the army any more from what I am told thus one of the easiest ways to get a pay raise for most people is go to a Appleseed learn the marksmanship then go back and shoot expert.
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Re: This supported or off hand ?
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12/24/22 11:30 PM
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I'd call it supported, but definitely in a different class than bench rest. I agree offhand is standing, using no part of the body to support the firearm except arms and the shoulder, obviously (no elbow on belly). Like this: ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2022/12/full-13020-162327-img_1891.jpg) That's a cute AR you are using. So take it this would count as supported , correct? no he isn't using the sling they strap it tight like that when not in use so ti doesn't catch the wind and move the rifle , High power standing is no sling use. clearly a glove and shooting jacket do provide more support but that isn't considered a supported position but with out stating what the position and aids your not really accurately defining it either.
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