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Break away devices #7754554 12/25/22 08:43 PM 12/25/22 08:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 58 PA DAK OP trapper
DAK OP trapper Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 58 PA	Are break away J hooks designed to be crimped shut or does that mess up there holding strength? My first time making my own cable restraints amd realized the j hook breakaways can knock free fairly easier...

Re: Break away devices [Re: DAK] #7754565 12/25/22 08:57 PM 12/25/22 08:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 10,116 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 10,116 WI - Wisconsin	There's a tool for closing them.

Re: Break away devices [Re: DAK] #7754579 12/25/22 09:14 PM 12/25/22 09:14 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 58 PA DAK OP trapper
DAK OP trapper Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 58 PA	I have a j hook tool, just didn't know if closing them changed their holding power or anything

Re: Break away devices [Re: DAK] #7754582 12/25/22 09:16 PM 12/25/22 09:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 10,116 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 10,116 WI - Wisconsin	You close them once. And only once. And then don't reuse them.

Re: Break away devices [Re: DAK] #7754597 12/25/22 09:28 PM 12/25/22 09:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 58 PA DAK OP trapper
DAK OP trapper Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 58 PA	10-4, thanks AJE!

Re: Break away devices [Re: DAK] #7754951 12/26/22 12:21 PM 12/26/22 12:21 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,701 Rodney,Ohio SNIPERBBB trapper
SNIPERBBB trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,701 Rodney,Ohio	We had a nice long post on this before but forum move ate it. If you deformed the shook style bads. It changed the poundage. Just can't remember which way now http://www.sniperstrappingplace.com/tmansearch.php

Re: Break away devices [Re: DAK] #7755315 12/26/22 10:17 PM 12/26/22 10:17 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 17,385 Central Ohio LT GREY trapper
LT GREY trapper Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 17,385 Central Ohio	I can tell you one thing. The ones I've used, big coyotes on a dead run, can pop them open on long trail snares without entanglement to slow them S-hook shaped BAD's manufactured in The United States are garbage. I've lost far too many coyotes using them, but my hands are tied in the state I live in.

Re: Break away devices [Re: LT GREY] #7755377 12/26/22 11:14 PM 12/26/22 11:14 PM
Joined: Oct 2019 Posts: 1,363 Custer Co, Idaho S sneaky trapper
sneaky trapper S Joined: Oct 2019 Posts: 1,363 Custer Co, Idaho	Originally Posted by LT GREY I can tell you one thing. The ones I've used, big coyotes on a dead run, can pop them open on long trail snares without entanglement to slow them S-hook shaped BAD's manufactured in The United States are garbage. I've lost far too many coyotes using them, but my hands are tied in the state I live in. How about the Senneker ones? They any better? More options for poundages with them looks like Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand

Re: Break away devices [Re: sneaky] #7765310 01/07/23 01:57 PM 01/07/23 01:57 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 76 Alberta B Bad Dog trapper
Bad Dog trapper B Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 76 Alberta	You need to use the right BAD for the right application. TThere is no one size fits all. If you use the lightest, the #265, then you better be using them with a torsion style stinger kill spring. They arent designed to be used without. You could get by on a #385 if no spring, but better with #645 at a 350 lb release. And while you at it, use a supermagnum for all canine snaring, they flatten everything regularly. But must have a Stinger of some sort on there. Take a look at the vaules: BAD Update Dec 2022 The Senneker-Elite line of BADs were broke tested in North Dakota in 2015 and again in 2022 at Alberta Innovates and Technology Futures for the Fur Institute of Canada. The 2022 Canadian results were consistent with the results obtained from North Dakota in 2015. The following results are based upon the averages of testing from both jurisdictions. Senneker- Elite #265 - opens at 165 lbs* Senneker-Elite #385 - opens at 240 lbs* Senneker-Elite #645 - opens at 350 lbs* (not tested in Canada) Senneker-Elite #750 - opens at 440 lbs* Senneker-Elite #1000 - opens at 600 lbs* (not tested in North Dakota)[color:#3333FF][/color] https://canadiancoyotecompany.com/products/bad-265sh-100?_pos=1&_sid=4651b2424&_ss=r canadiancoyotecompany.com

Re: Break away devices [Re: DAK] #7765469 01/07/23 05:13 PM 01/07/23 05:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 58 PA DAK OP trapper
DAK OP trapper Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 58 PA	PA has pretty strict regulations with cable restraints. I think 350lb max for breakaways and no entanglement. (Might be 375?)

Re: Break away devices [Re: DAK] #7766052 01/08/23 10:41 AM 01/08/23 10:41 AM
Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,894 Frazee, MN B backroadsarcher trapper
backroadsarcher trapper B Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,894 Frazee, MN	I close mine in a vice very carefully.

Re: Break away devices [Re: sneaky] #7766326 01/08/23 05:54 PM 01/08/23 05:54 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 17,385 Central Ohio LT GREY trapper
LT GREY trapper Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 17,385 Central Ohio	Originally Posted by sneaky Originally Posted by LT GREY I can tell you one thing. The ones I've used, big coyotes on a dead run, can pop them open on long trail snares without entanglement to slow them S-hook shaped BAD's manufactured in The United States are garbage. I've lost far too many coyotes using them, but my hands are tied in the state I live in. How about the Senneker ones? They any better? More options for poundages with them looks like They'll be my next purchase.

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