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Coyote quizz #7767089
01/09/23 03:03 PM
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Here's the scenario. Deer got tangled in fence 8 days ago in the ditch. Sheriff deputy came out and shot it. Next morning boss spend some time trying to get out of fence but couldn't. Later I came along with a saw and cut it out. No coyote has touched it . Birds ate on it a little bit. This on low maintenance road no one lives on and is lighty traveled. Great coyote cover both sides of road. In the 9 years I've worked on this ranch never have I not seen fresh tracks on this road after a snow and most times multiple sets. Right between two pastures we winter cows in with big tall grass. Just a lot of coyotes here. We are out in pastures everyday feeding and leaving human scent out there on the ground. Oh and I've never treated this deer with antibiotics. Lol
So for those of you who say
1 Kansas coyotes are not cautious and are abnormally bold because of competition why hasn't it been touched
2 for those that say human scent doesn't affect coyotes especially in areas where they are use to it why hasn't it been touched

I believe it hasn't been touched solely because 3 different people have been around it in about an 18 hour period and it's very likely it will lay there and rot down and never be touched which makes me believe coyotes can mark the area in a manner that warns other coyotes of danger because around here it quite possible 10 or 15 coyotes can pass by that dead deer in 2 weeks and none will touch it even after the human scent is gone. This isn't always the norm around here but it happens enough for me to have real questions about how spooky and paranoid coyotes can be even though some are rather easy to catch. Just some food for thought I find interesting and thought others might too. Could have posted under the dead cow thread but thought more might read it under a new thread.

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Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767132
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Haha, I guess I could say the same reasons for coyotes not touching our hogs. And other folks could say the same about their cows. I guess we have caught all the dumb coyotes and only smart ones left.

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767159
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Probably so. Though hogs rarely get touched here no matter what

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767176
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Probably so. Though hogs rarely get touched here no matter what

How do we know that = The cop did not secretly inject that deer with poison?? LOL!

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767179
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I bet the deer had his c-19 jab so the coyotes don't wanna touch him confused


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Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767180
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Interesting situation. Can coyotes communicate danger or avoidance to others? I believe so, either by marking or vocally. It seems to happen way to often to be coincidence. I also think it matters which coyotes are sending the message. Some coyotes opinion carries more weight amongst their peers.

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Old coy] #7767230
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Originally Posted by Old coy
Interesting situation. Can coyotes communicate danger or avoidance to others? I believe so, either by marking or vocally. It seems to happen way to often to be coincidence. I also think it matters which coyotes are sending the message. Some coyotes opinion carries more weight amongst their peers.

I won't be surprised if what u suggest has so real merrit.

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767233
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I hate when a caught coyote goes to barking and howling at me when I pull up to him/her. I dont have detailed records but when that happens the catch slows or stops in that general area.


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Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767245
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by Old coy
Interesting situation. Can coyotes communicate danger or avoidance to others? I believe so, either by marking or vocally. It seems to happen way to often to be coincidence. I also think it matters which coyotes are sending the message. Some coyotes opinion carries more weight amongst their peers.

I won't be surprised if what u suggest has so real merrit.


I believe this theory. You will sometimes be in area with coyotes but most of them seem to avoid everything. Take out an individual coyote by calling or catching it in a snare and then the rest seem to start to fall because they don't have the leadership to follow .

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767338
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I have no idea but would not be surprised if they can communicate

Every coyote I ever saw when I was within 60 miles of Bazine KS would leave faster than a top fuel dragster if you slowed down very much. My landowner said they got shot at a lot from the unimproved (non-paved) roads.

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767377
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1. Not hungry enough. 2. If they were mangy and cold they would be there gorging themselves................... my take ............................. the mike

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767421
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I would probably agree with the human scent ideaÖ. Maybe. Iíll present another situation if you donít mind me hopping in your thread. I process deer for some buddies as well as my critters. A small property where Iíve dumped carcasses a couple years is very often my choice dumping ground. It sees human scent very often as my mom and daughter walk it several times a week and Iím out there with them a good bit. I killed a deer in bow season and dumped it where it was decimated in a day or two. Opening day of rifle season I did a hog and deer for the other guys. Both carcasses dumped, both tore up and dragged a short distance in a day or two. Shot a little buck a week or two later, dumped it, and never got touched or moved. Still sitting there and everything has rotted off of it. what Caused the one not to be touched?

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: sportsman94] #7767454
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Originally Posted by sportsman94
I would probably agree with the human scent ideaÖ. Maybe. Iíll present another situation if you donít mind me hopping in your thread. I process deer for some buddies as well as my critters. A small property where Iíve dumped carcasses a couple years is very often my choice dumping ground. It sees human scent very often as my mom and daughter walk it several times a week and Iím out there with them a good bit. I killed a deer in bow season and dumped it where it was decimated in a day or two. Opening day of rifle season I did a hog and deer for the other guys. Both carcasses dumped, both tore up and dragged a short distance in a day or two. Shot a little buck a week or two later, dumped it, and never got touched or moved. Still sitting there and everything has rotted off of it. what Caused the one not to be touched?

Always open to ideas. I think coyotes can just be weirdly paranoid sometimes.....????? Something trips their trigger the wrong way and they just check out....????

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767810
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Have noticed here in mich where we have dead deer everywhere from huntin and road kill that yotes do not eat on em unless we have deep snow and extreme cold. Amazed we catch any w/ the food available.
When pups r born they do take advantage of Caron. Good call lure goes long way.
I think cop injected deer w/ ?

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767814
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Yes sir Iíve spent a lot of hours thinking about this over the years and Iím not sure Iíll ever figure it out. I donít believe itís because of the human handling factor. Maybe the first day or so but after that they should hammer it. Now the question is why are they not eating it? I think it has to do more with the location and how the animal died. Hanging in that fence is stressful and all kinds of chemicals are being released and that has a real effect on the meat. Like a fat steer that is stressed too much before slaughter. Too much stress and heís a PSE with meat thatís not fit for anything.

Iím not saying they canít vocalize or communicate danger but I just havenít seen it. Iím trapping one of our yards now and have taken around 90 in 9 traps. 4 of those traps are close to a dead and the other 5 and the most productive 5 are just dirts hole sets about 300 yards from it. If the can mark fear why do they keep coming? I have to go now and get a tractor started but Iíll check back in later. Good thread thanks


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Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767830
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I havenít been at this as long as most on here, but I remember reading somewhere about how they used to kill coyotes and hang them on fence posts to keep other coyotes out of the area. Could it be a learned trait passed down?

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767835
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Interesting thought, and can have some validity. My first thought is that deer probably would have same release of chemicals when pursued and killed by coyotes. Seen a couple videos of coyotes killing deer it doesn't look like a quick process. I'd also wonder in a situation where you can catch 90 coyotes within 300 yds of each other if some dynamics change in that kind of situation. But considering we can't communicate with coyotes we really may never know. It's just theories we base of experiences. To me this is the challenge an interesting thing about coyotes

Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7767841
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Iíd put my money on the initial human intrusion levels boogering them up. Especially if itís an area that normally doesnít have a lot of human activity.

If theyíre pressured coyotes (and good luck finding un-pressured coyotes this time of year) that could be a big turn off.

Spank a few in the area, shake things up, get some new blood moved in and I bet things change.

Jan/Feb coyotes are not the same beasts they were in Oct/Nov. Not these days anymore what with everybody and their dog out harassing them day and night with fox pros and thermals.

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Re: Coyote quizz [Re: Yes sir] #7768435
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Seth Iím definitely in a different situation in that location but I think when it comes to the micro location that being where the trap is. After that many catches they would have communicated the danger in that small area. I wonít throw cold water on your human interaction thoughts. Iím convinced that coyotes can smell non confidence (for the lack of a better term) at the set. I believe being absolutely confident while making the set is more important than wearing gloves or any scent control. I maybe nuts crazy


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