Unfortunately, you come across as if you don't believe this doctrine is false, you are doomed to eternal punishment. You make that your primary objective when compared to true faith, it's petty. That's the point I was trying to make. I see it as legalism. It sets conditions on your salvation. Jesus said we are to come to Him as children. Children don't understand complication.
It's like some who feel if you're not a Baptist or a Catholic, or a Methodist, you can't be saved. Ridiculous!
There are Christians. There are non-Christians. There are those who are on the fence and are neither. When they see this bickering over a minor issue that has nothing to do with faith and salvation, they are repulsed. I know of such people. I wouldn't want them to see these exchanges.
Ok trapper7 I'm going to put my previous goal of eviscerating the false Israel church separation on pause and use the Bible to prove that people who do not believe in a biblical catching away are most likely unsaved and those who teach it are most likely reprobate.
So strap in, cuz now I'm exited
Now to first respond to what you said I'll say this
I know plenty of people who believe dispensationalism that are not reprobates, but I don't know of any people who teach dispensationalism that are saved. I know that both Darby and Schofield are burning in H3!! And I can prove it with one scripture from the Bible if you know anything about their writings and teachings. If you don't then it's doesn't matter what Bible verse I share with you because you need to understand what they have done to realize their spiritual condition.
Don't for a second believe that Bible doctrine of any kind is a minor issue. We as Christians are to always defend the faith and preach the gospel. Just as Jesus did and his disciples they had to combat the false doctrine of their time in order to break the people's minds free from the cognitive dissonance of the Pharisees, priest, and Scribes. He did this by questioning these groups in front of the people and allowing the people to see how weak and shallow their responses were. It works.
Your comment about coming to Jesus as a child is great, I agree children don't know enough to get involved with the complications and receive the gospel at a much higher rate than adults who have made up their minds. It's a great thing to lead a child to Christ. But a babe is Christ doesn't have to be a child. There are babes in Christ in every church in America that are older than 50 because this has to do with the type of doctrine they know and understand and can digest. I am not a babe is Christ so I don't approach false doctrine as one. I would hope that the Bible that have shared will edify anyone who reads it.
So now I will show you what the Bible says about those who don't believe in the biblical catching away. Take out of this what you choose.
The Bible is clear on the coming of the Lord that the saints cannot be deceived by the Antichrist.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 KJV
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be d@mned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Verse number..
1-2) Paul is telling the Thessalonians how they should not be deceived as if the Day of Christ is at hand because something has to happen first. We covered what this things are in the previous post but in verse (3) he sums it up as "that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first", saying again not to be deceived by any man.
This is a very clear reference to the tribulation, and the Antichrist that makes war with the saints. If you don't believe that then read verse 4
4) verse 4 teaches who it is that will come FIRST and it is a man that will attempt to sit in the temple of God and shew himself to be God. This is the Antichrist
5) Paul explains that he already told them this
6) Paul tells them what is now preventing the day of the Lord, and that is that the Antichrist has not yet been revealed.
7) Paul explains that the mystery of iniquity is already at work on the Earth, and that this will continue until the Antichrist is taken out of the way.
8) and then when Jesus Christ comes back(brightness of his coming) the Antichrist will be destroyed with the spirit of his mouth. Okay this means the word of God the sword of the spirit the fact that God opens his mouth and destroys all of those who stand against him( see Rev 19:15,and 21).
9) once again a reference to the Antichrist that is destroyed because he comes with power and signs and lying wonders claiming that he is Christ.
10) and he also destroys all of those that are deceivable and unrighteous because they receive not the love of truth that they might be saved.
11) because they received not the love of the truth God sends them a strong delusion that they should believe a lie, this why is dispensationalism in today's modern times, this lie is believing in a pre-trib rapture because whenever you do that the first person to come is the Antichrist as the Bible says in second Thessalonians 2.
So if the Antichrist comes first who then do you believe is taking you to heaven?
Remember God gave them the strong delusion God turned them over to believe a lie God gave them up.
Why? Because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Because they chose not to believe the gospel.
It doesn't get any clearer than that.
So what is the result of not believing the gospel and being sent a strong delusion that they would believe a lie?
Verse 12.. that they all might be d@mned who believe not the truth.
So the scripture that Paul gives to the Thessalonians after he discussed in 1st Thessalonians 4 and 5 about how they know the order of the end times and should be comforted in the fact that the saved people they know will be resurrected by Christ, is teaching them that the people who don't understand this will eventually be d@mned.
And this is why that is true because the Bible teaches that Jesus Christ paid for all of the sins of every person on the planet, and that when they believe on the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ that they KNOW not only that they have eternal life because Jesus did promise that, but that they hear his voice and they will know the difference between Jesus and the antichrist. In a pre-tribulation rapture doctrine the only person that will show up first is the Antichrist and the pre-tribulationist believe that they will be raptured out before the tribulation. so when they see the Antichrist come and sit in the throne of God in the temple of God showing himself that he is God who do you think they're going to believe?
It's so simple even my kids can understand this.
So be p!ssy if you want. I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation to all who believeth to the Jew first and to the Greek.
and I am not ashamed that I know the Bible well enough to be able to combat these horse feathers false doctrines that are being pushed on mankind today. I am truly sorry that you have been sucked into this but am I therefore your enemy for because I tell you the truth?