otter questions
#7768335
01/10/23 07:18 PM
01/10/23 07:18 PM
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Webster County W.V
matt
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Webster County W.V
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Don't do a lot of otter trapping. But we have found some sign and the boy wants to catch one. What is the best size traps for them? I know 330s will work, I have some. I also have several 220s are they big enough? What about catching them in coils? I have most sizes from 1 1/2 to # 4s, some are off set. I am guessing a closed jaw is the best, but what about trap size. Do you off set them in a slide, like you would for beaver? Also make a pocket set or dirt hole?
Thanks
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Re: otter questions
[Re: matt]
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01/10/23 09:25 PM
01/10/23 09:25 PM
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Alaska and Washington State
waggler
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A very stout closed jaw #3or 4 will work on a sliding lock on a drowning cable. Don't use solid wire for your drowning wire, otter are extremely tough and may break it. If possible stick to body grippers.
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Re: otter questions
[Re: matt]
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01/10/23 10:59 PM
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New Hampshire
Nessmuck
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280 is the ultimate otter trap
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Re: otter questions
[Re: Nessmuck]
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01/11/23 09:02 PM
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WI
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280 is the ultimate otter trap I’m not so sure I’d go that far…I don’t own a 280 but sure enough put down plenty of otters with 330’s. I’d suggest tuning triggers on any conibear that you set in open water. Under the ice, I really don’t think it matters. If you’re dealing with an open water crossover, a #3 CS with 3 pounds of pan tension will also do the job….put it on a slider to deep.
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Re: otter questions
[Re: BvrRetriever]
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01/11/23 09:37 PM
01/11/23 09:37 PM
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New Hampshire
Nessmuck
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280 is the ultimate otter trap I’m not so sure I’d go that far…I don’t own a 280 but sure enough put down plenty of otters with 330’s. I’d suggest tuning triggers on any conibear that you set in open water. Under the ice, I really don’t think it matters. If you’re dealing with an open water crossover, a #3 CS with 3 pounds of pan tension will also do the job….put it on a slider to deep. Faster and stronger..IMHO I'll get hit by a 330 ..ovah a 280..anyday
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Re: otter questions
[Re: matt]
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01/12/23 01:01 PM
01/12/23 01:01 PM
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MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
Trapper7
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I have taken otter accidently with a Victor 1 1/2 coil spring on a drowning rig set up for coon or mink. If I were specifically targeting otter with a foot hold, I would use a Victor 1.75 CS with a drowning rig a must.
I prefer to trap them with 330 bodygrips, but have caught some in 220s & 280s. I had my best success with 330s by camouflaging the outline of the trap.
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Re: otter questions
[Re: Trapper7]
#7769822
01/12/23 01:23 PM
01/12/23 01:23 PM
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Sumner, Mo.
claycreech
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I have taken otter accidently with a Victor 1 1/2 coil spring on a drowning rig set up for coon or mink. If I were specifically targeting otter with a foot hold, I would use a Victor 1.75 CS with a drowning rig a must.
I prefer to trap them with 330 bodygrips, but have caught some in 220s & 280s. I had my best success with 330s by camouflaging the outline of the trap. Exactly. I really don’t think folks who profess smaller conibears as being better for otter have any idea how many refusals they get with the smaller traps. I’ll take a well tuned 330 any day, and I’ve caught a ton of otter in 280’s. They only get set in spots too tight for a 330.
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Re: otter questions
[Re: matt]
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01/12/23 01:40 PM
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As others have already stated, "the 280 is the ultimate otter trap". For fast moving otter’s a 330-size trap quite often closes on them to far back resulting in poor hip catches that don’t dispatch them quickly, unless completely submerged under water. My experience with the smaller 280 is that it closes faster and results in fewer, if any, poor catches. The 280 will also capture more of the incidental mink and muskrats that often trigger 330 beaver and otter sets without getting caught. Thus, it is the ultimate otter trap.
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Re: otter questions
[Re: bctomcat]
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01/12/23 01:52 PM
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New Hampshire
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As others have already stated, "the 280 is the ultimate otter trap". For fast moving otter’s a 330-size trap quite often closes on them to far back resulting in poor hip catches that don’t dispatch them quickly, unless completely submerged under water. My experience with the smaller 280 is that it closes faster and results in fewer, if any, poor catches. The 280 will also capture more of the incidental mink and muskrats that often trigger 330 beaver and otter sets without getting caught. Thus, it is the ultimate otter trap.
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Re: otter questions
[Re: bctomcat]
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01/12/23 02:02 PM
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MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
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As others have already stated, "the 280 is the ultimate otter trap". For fast moving otter’s a 330-size trap quite often closes on them to far back resulting in poor hip catches that don’t dispatch them quickly, unless completely submerged under water. My experience with the smaller 280 is that it closes faster and results in fewer, if any, poor catches. The 280 will also capture more of the incidental mink and muskrats that often trigger 330 beaver and otter sets without getting caught. Thus, it is the ultimate otter trap.
I can see your point if the 330 isn't a Belisle. They are very fast. I have taken two otter at once in a Belisle. One was caught behind the head, the other across the front shoulders. The other thing that makes a 330 faster is a matter of adjustment with the trigger. I just like the wider opening of the 330 and I always set it with the triggers on the bottom.
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Re: otter questions
[Re: matt]
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01/12/23 02:19 PM
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New Hampshire
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Belisle or not...it is mathamathicly impossible for a larger trap to fire quicker .
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Last edited by Nessmuck; 01/12/23 02:20 PM.
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Re: otter questions
[Re: matt]
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01/12/23 02:22 PM
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NC - Here there and everywhere
coondagger2
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What is it, an extra 2" in jaw spread? The difference in closing speed when comparing a belisle 280 to 330 is milliseconds. Even an otter moving at mach 12 will have no problem being ethically caught in a properly tuned 330. Most guys are just too lazy to properly tune them
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Re: otter questions
[Re: coondagger2]
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01/12/23 02:48 PM
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Sumner, Mo.
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What is it, an extra 2" in jaw spread? The difference in closing speed when comparing a belisle 280 to 330 is milliseconds. Even an otter moving at mach 12 will have no problem being ethically caught in a properly tuned 330. Most guys are just too lazy to properly tune them This^^^^^^ I reckon different regulations could change an ole boy’s opinion on this subject. We can’t set them on dry ground. Gotta be at least half submerged. On the rare occasion I hip catch one, he’s drowned anyway. I agree that 280’s kill otter fast. That’s not the reason I reach for a 330 Belisle first. I get refusals in 330’s. I get more refusals in 280’s. I’d rather hip catch one occasionally and drown him than see where he went around the trap.
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Re: otter questions
[Re: matt]
#7769941
01/12/23 03:04 PM
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South Ga - Almost Florida
Swamp Wolf
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South Ga - Almost Florida
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Don't do a lot of otter trapping. But we have found some sign and the boy wants to catch one. What is the best size traps for them? I know 330s will work, I have some. I also have several 220s are they big enough? What about catching them in coils? I have most sizes from 1 1/2 to # 4s, some are off set. I am guessing a closed jaw is the best, but what about trap size. Do you off set them in a slide, like you would for beaver? Also make a pocket set or dirt hole?
Thanks
Dirthole set are otter killers. Just use a strong springed foothold and anchor where the otter can't reach anything over finger-sized. I set every otter toilet with a DH set that had firm enough soil to anchor the trap. I also set 280s on the trails leading up to the toilet. Many times an otter would be caught in the DH set and miss the bodygrips. Other times there would be otters in all the sets. I sure do miss a high $$ otter market....
Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 01/12/23 03:06 PM.
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