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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Trapper7] #7770075
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Originally Posted by Trapper7

Here's where those who believe in pre-trib get it from.

From the Vulgate translated into English from the Hebrew and Greek: 1 Thessalonians 1:10 "A God who really exists, and to wait for the appearing of His Son from heaven, Jesus, whom He raised from the dead, our Saviour from the vengeance that is to come."

Apocalypse 3:10 "Thou hast kept true to my lesson of endurance, and I will keep thee safe from the hour of trial which is soon to fall upon the whole world, for the testing of all who dwell on the earth."


Ok so you're saying they get it from man's wisdom and not the received text, or Textus Receptus which is the original manuscripts is ancient Hebrew and Koine Greek. That's the point I'm making that these doctrines don't exist in the Bible. But men have written book upon book about it. Darby got his revelation from reading Isaiah 32. Darby is the father of modern dispensationalism. And let's not forget that the word dispensation comes from the root word dispense which means to pass something out. , And has nothing to do with a measurement of time.


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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: ] #7770079
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Really? What about the criminal on the cross who said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom". When did he repent?

Then Jesus said, "This day you shall be with me in paradise".

When he recognized his guilt and rebuked the other criminal for not doing the same.

You're really reaching there Posco. I mean a child can see that the thief on the cross had no works except the only work necessary for salvation.

John 6:28-29 KJV
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? [29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

That was Jesus speaking by the way.


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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Wolfdog91] #7770083
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I will say this about the thief on the cross. he did repent. he had biblical repentance. He repented from his previous beliefs and turned to the one true God. That's the only repentance necessary. Not a work but a change in ones heart where they choose to believe on Jesus and give up whatever it was the filled that void previously


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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Wolfdog91] #7770094
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Ok I'm not the brightest and I know a hen don't have to married to rooster to lay eggs.
But if a woman has twins does that mean she has been with two guys?

Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Wolfdog91] #7770111
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Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay:but except you repent, you shall all likewise perish.

It's a command, not a suggestion. The Bible tells us to examine ourselves whether we be in the faith. The devils believe...and tremble.

Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Wolfdog91] #7770119
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Posco is God the Father a sinner?


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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Ken Smith] #7770129
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Originally Posted by Ken Smith
Posco is God the Father a sinner?

I can't imagine where you intend to go with this but I'm certain you'll be wrong. A sinner doesn't have to know a single verse of Revelation to be saved. A sinner does need to be convicted of their sin and repent.God grants repentance and faith. Repentance and faith are both gifts from God and the both are requirements for salvation. If you've never repented, you've never been saved. You deceive yourself.

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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Wolfdog91] #7770130
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Here's where I'm going and No he is not, but most of the times the word "repent" is used in the Bible it's in reference to God repenting. That means that repent must mean more than turning from sin.

The definition of repent is in the Bible
Jonah 3:9-10 KJV
Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
[10] And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

See God is the one who turned and did not destroy them, but cannot sin. So the word "repent" means to turn. Not to turn "from sin"

That term "repent of sin" or "repent of your sins" isn't in the Bible anywhere. You were taught that by a man, and not by God. You should repent of your false belief and choose rather to turn to Jesus and his finished, perfect works. That's the only way anyone can be saved.

And yes the devil's believe and tremble but are not mankind, they cannot be saved. They already have been to and fro from heaven because they are angels, and have been cast down. So that's a straw man argument. The can't be saved lol. I mean the devil's know they are doomed to H3|| for eternity.


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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Wolfdog91] #7770131
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It's like beating a dead horse. You can't make him stand up and cut cattle. Repentance is a requirement because you have to turn away from what you believed and turn to faith on Jesus. That's biblical repentance.

Show me the verse that says you must repent of sin?

I'll wait

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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Ken Smith] #7770136
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Originally Posted by Ken Smith
It's like beating a dead horse. You can make him stand up and cut cattle. Repentance is a requirement because you have to turn away from what you believed and turn to faith on Jesus. That's biblical repentance.

Show me the verse that says you must repent of sin?

I'll wait

It begs the question. Are you repenting of the steller life you've led or sin? On on my way out the door to work, I'll check back later.

Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Wolfdog91] #7770146
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The difference is what is the definition of is. Is this one of those legal arguments. It is certainly sounding like it is, or is it?

So did anyone ever come up with any ideas whats going to happen to those bridesmaids or the best man to this wedding that's coming up?

Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Ken Smith] #7770159
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Originally Posted by Ken Smith
I will say this about the thief on the cross. he did repent. he had biblical repentance. He repented from his previous beliefs and turned to the one true God. That's the only repentance necessary. Not a work but a change in ones heart where they choose to believe on Jesus and give up whatever it was the filled that void previously

Yes, to turn, a change of heart.


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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: ] #7770160
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Originally Posted by Posco

It begs the question. Are you repenting of the steller life you've led or sin? On on my way out the door to work, I'll check back later.


No you're repenting of your unbelief. See only those who believe properly are saved. Those who don't are not. Remember Jesus in the book of John? Here are many of his quotes so we are on the same page. And don't believe me, take it from him. I'll take this moment to set this to everyone. Don't trust in me and what I say, go to the Bible and read it.for yourself.

John 3:15-18 KJV
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Notice those who believeth not are condemned already. Why because we are all sinner and all deserve H3||


John 5:24 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 6:29 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 6:40 KJV
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:47 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.



So tell me again how "repenting of sin" is a requirement for salvation and Jesus never said it one time?


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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Wolfdog91] #7770161
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John 3:18 is super clear. Imagine God knowing that you have to repent of your sins to be saved and leaving that part out of John 3:18 lol

Only those who don't believe are condemned, therefor only those who believe properly are saved.

It's that simple.


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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Wolfdog91] #7770197
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There was a 35 yr old woman that had a sad childhood and her grown up life was no better. She was at her wits end and considered ending her life. Someone got her to see a shrink. She didn't have much money but what could she lose, she was at her end. The first night she met with the Dr. and he soon determined she had a lot of baggage that was going to have to be dealt with. Their first session flew by quickly. He had her confessing every sin she ever did and only got up to age 8. He told her he would have her talk with his assistant for the rest of her treatment. She really enjoyed coming each evening in the dim lit room, lying on the couch and spilling her guts. The assistant would never say a word, just nodded when she greeted him. He just sat there writing on his tablet and peering over his glasses. They spent 3 weeks 5 nights a week with her just confessing her sins. She had a, lets just say a very complicated life. She had only gotten up to age 30 and she was running out of money quick. So on Friday of the last week she decided she needed to confess 5 yrs worth, it was mostly just reruns anyway. She had been feeling a lot better and at the end of her session she told the assistant how much better she was feeling and was out of money and thanked him for listening all those weeks. At which time he stopped writing and peered over his glasses and said "lo siento, no hablo inglés".

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Acts 2: 36-41

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Acts 2: 36-41

Amen.

Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Ken Smith] #7771652
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Originally Posted by Ken Smith
John 3:18 is super clear. Imagine God knowing that you have to repent of your sins to be saved and leaving that part out of John 3:18 lol

Only those who don't believe are condemned, therefor only those who believe properly are saved.

It's that simple.

Acts 17:30

Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east [Re: Wolfdog91] #7771780
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Please explain how a man repents without looking inward and judges his compliance to the Law? If a man can't comply to all of the Law, would not that be considered sin?

We are argue about specific traps, lures, baits, and trap location but we still believe in the trapping traditions. Yet we say arguing/debating these topics is why we don't want anything to do with discussing theology.

The Lord Jesus, Paul, and the Son's of Thunder offended a lot people. Love 'em first and tell them the truth.


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Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by Ken Smith
John 3:18 is super clear. Imagine God knowing that you have to repent of your sins to be saved and leaving that part out of John 3:18 lol

Only those who don't believe are condemned, therefor only those who believe properly are saved.

It's that simple.

Acts 17:30


Don't forget the continuance to the Apostle Paul's preaching after Acts 17:30, which is Acts 17:31. Together these lines are the Theme of the Book of Acts.
Praise God for the Apostle Paul and for God's revealing of His Word for us.

Blessings,
Mark

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