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Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: Giant Sage] #7772993
01/15/23 05:09 PM
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I think some of you are confusing Morphing and evolving. :-)


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Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773004
01/15/23 05:25 PM
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Adaptation and evolution are two very separate, and distinct concepts.
Evolution is the result of a random mutation which gives a lifeform the ability to survive in a given environment better than those which do not have that genetic trait and perish from the lack of it. The ones which have the genetic trait will then pass it on to future generations and become the dominant species in that environment.
In my opinion, the article referenced above has taken a huge and premature leap in making any conclusions whatsoever, given the relatively tiny sample size.
Perhaps the catastrophic Man Made Climate Change has adversely affected their ability to reason.

Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773033
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The smallest step in the theory of evolution as the beginning of all species and the easiest to prove because it lacks the need for the proverbial "millions of years" is the single cell organism turning into a multiple cell organism. But despite the multitude of single cell organisms around us we have never saw this simple, basic, short time frame step happen. Did evolution stop? We cant find this step so we add thousands of years to the process to make it more probable, then millions of years then billions of years and on and on. Keep chasing, it's just over the next hill or is it the next hill over that one or the next one....????
If you can't prove the most simple part, making the theory more complicated doesn't make it more likely. In fact by logic makes it less likely.

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Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: Giant Sage] #7773061
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
A lizard is a lizard, remember the old growth spotted owl?


I wish someone had a ballpark figure for how many jobs were lost and value of the forest industry infrastructure lost in that boondoggle, and the Northern spotted owl was a sub-species. Changed the NW for ever.

Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: Yes sir] #7773126
01/15/23 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
The smallest step in the theory of evolution as the beginning of all species and the easiest to prove because it lacks the need for the proverbial "millions of years" is the single cell organism turning into a multiple cell organism. But despite the multitude of single cell organisms around us we have never saw this simple, basic, short time frame step happen. Did evolution stop? We cant find this step so we add thousands of years to the process to make it more probable, then millions of years then billions of years and on and on. Keep chasing, it's just over the next hill or is it the next hill over that one or the next one....????
If you can't prove the most simple part, making the theory more complicated doesn't make it more likely. In fact by logic makes it less likely.


And yet we who know the Creator are mocked for our faith.

Which requires more faith?


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Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773324
01/15/23 10:36 PM
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Well Adam and Eve and dinasours ??


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Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773351
01/15/23 11:05 PM
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Here you go Yes sir.

https://www.sciencealert.com/scient...gae-evolve-into-a-multicellular-organism



The team captured nine, 14-second time-lapse videos of the transition, which you can view in this playlist:



One hypothesis is that it was predation that put selective pressure on single-celled organisms, causing them to become more complex.So to test the validity of this in the lab, the team led by evolutionary biologist William Ratcliff, took populations of single-celled green alga Chlamydomonas reinhardtii.

They then put a single-celled filter-feeding predator in the mix, Paramecium tetraurelia and watched what happened.

Incredibly, the researchers watched as in just 50 weeks - less than the span of a year - two out of five experimental populations of the single-celled creatures evolved into multicellular life.

"Here we show that de novo origins of simple multicellularity can evolve in response to predation," the team write in their paper.

Fifty weeks is a relative blink of an eye on the evolutionary scale. For the algae it was a little longer - 750 generations. But that's still quite impressive when you think that they evolved entirely new life cycles.

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Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773359
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My mother is a devout Christian woman. I love and respect her so avoid religious conversation. She believes the earth is only 6000 years old. If thats your belief I get it. Really. If its not your belief why do you think evolution is NOT part of creation?

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Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773375
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Danny I read a report of that study the devil is in the details. You have to readthe details to understand what happened. That video is intended to be misleading.

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Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773428
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How many on here think the earth is 6000 years old

Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773439
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I believe in the inerrant Word of God.


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Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: wildlifeartist1] #7773442
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Originally Posted by wildlifeartist1
How many on here think the earth is 6000 years old

Depends on who's counting.lol

Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773469
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As science debates what is here and how it got here, it can't answer a very important question that matters to most people more than how they got here...
"Why" are we here?

Some of the comments on the thread relate to what's called transmutability - one species becoming another. As a scientist I know, there's never been one example of it found and there's been a whole lotta attempts to find one example. This scientific conundrum is right there next to Darwin's other "Black Box."

And I was thinking, if humans evolved from apes, as all evolutionary charts depict with precision .... survival of the fittest and all.... why are apes still around?

Blessings,
Mark

Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773504
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It's survival of the fittest. The animal with the best trades and gene's does better and passes its traits to its offspring. Things adapt to changing conditions and die off. That's how God created them. It is not evolution and changing from one kind into something else.

You can't make something from nothing. Funny people believe we are so smart yet other than reproduction from our own bodies cannot create any for of life. No matter how they try they can't even create a single cell simple organism. Life just does not occur and we can't create it. At best we can alter things. But always need something to begin with. Man was made in God's image so it makes since we are also great builders. But we can only build with what God has provided us and within the parameters and limits he alows us to function.

Only God can create life from nothing. Evolution is just another great lie and attempt to steal glory from God. In the end every knee will bow.

Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773538
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"We" share about 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees. If you look across the globe (or east Oklahoma City), it's pretty obvious in certain populations.

Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773560
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So, 6000 years old. Yes or No?


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Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773561
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
So, 6000 years old. Yes or No?


That's a big obviously NO.

Re: evidence of evolution or nonsense? [Re: danny clifton] #7773576
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Millions of people accept that number. I would say that most of the people I know would accept that as a plausible number. I think that number is so popular because it fits pretty close with the description in the Bible, the flood, and some more recent evidence of the movement of planets, stars and tectonic plates among other things. A lot of creation science organizations have numbers that land in that neighborhood.

I think there are reasons to believe that it could be as old as 10,000 years after the fall of man, although there was no such thing as time, as we know it today, before the fall. But that's an issues that's way too complicated to discuss on this forum.

As to the original poster, we see what is known as adaptation or micro evolution all the time. People who want to ignore some science--while clinging to the evidence that tells them what they want to hear--will extrapolate things like that to support their theory of macro evolution.

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An interesting example of rapid speciation: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/mystery-lake-malawi-180971442/

As to the "why are apes still here if we're descended from apes?" question: the entire idea behind speciation is that a single common ancestor can become more than one species. Speciation is not zero-sum.

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