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Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7777988
01/21/23 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by EdP
My take is that no one is going to try to destroy Russia, just put them back in the box they belong in. No nukes will be used. If Russia starts a nuclear war Russia will cease to exist as a nation for the foreseeable future and their leaders know that. The Russian leaders have seen the superiority of the west's weaponry and training. Why would they think the same would not be the case for nuclear weapons? The bully using Hitler's expansionist tactics must be stopped. Putin is loosing face and if that continues it will cost him his life. The "out" for Russia if Ukraine can keep up the pressure is to remove Putin, withdraw, and take credit for stopping the war. The leaders of the free world will accept that resolution because to do otherwise is to attempt to destroy Russia, leaving Russia only one choice, something no one on either side wants. The Chinese might, but they are not involved in the decision.

Where did you read about the superiority of your weapons over ours ???? you are not mistaken?

Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: KOSOI] #7778014
01/21/23 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by KOSOI
Where did you read about the superiority of your weapons over ours ???? you are not mistaken?


Boco told us. And he is really smart!

Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: Osagan] #7778072
01/21/23 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Osagian
Originally Posted by KOSOI
Where did you read about the superiority of your weapons over ours ???? you are not mistaken?


Boco told us. And he is really smart!

And free, too! Very smart and free!

Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778162
01/21/23 09:38 AM
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LOL


Eh...wot?

Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778178
01/21/23 09:55 AM
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Lol

Canada has never met it’s 2% gdp nato obligation,,,

Usually around 1.4 %,,,,,


Not sure we even hit above Trudeaus weight,,,,,doubt it

Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: KOSOI] #7778202
01/21/23 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by KOSOI
Originally Posted by EdP
My take is that no one is going to try to destroy Russia, just put them back in the box they belong in. No nukes will be used. If Russia starts a nuclear war Russia will cease to exist as a nation for the foreseeable future and their leaders know that. The Russian leaders have seen the superiority of the west's weaponry and training. Why would they think the same would not be the case for nuclear weapons? The bully using Hitler's expansionist tactics must be stopped. Putin is loosing face and if that continues it will cost him his life. The "out" for Russia if Ukraine can keep up the pressure is to remove Putin, withdraw, and take credit for stopping the war. The leaders of the free world will accept that resolution because to do otherwise is to attempt to destroy Russia, leaving Russia only one choice, something no one on either side wants. The Chinese might, but they are not involved in the decision.

Where did you read about the superiority of your weapons over ours ???? you are not mistaken?


I just read a story about a dog fight over Korea that has been declassified from 70 years ago. Back them the mig 15 was the best fighter made in speed and agility. But am American shot 4 of them down in 30 minutes and the rest ran.
It's unlikely your tech even come close to ours but even when it was better 70 years ago America kicked your tail 4 to 1.

Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778277
01/21/23 11:19 AM
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You're a grown man, and you all believe in fairy tales?

Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778284
01/21/23 11:29 AM
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This book explained a lot to me about Russia. Huge difference in our 2 countries.

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I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778305
01/21/23 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Oh Snap
This book explained a lot to me about Russia. Huge difference in our 2 countries.

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I'm sorry ! I don't know English very well ! could you please retell this book briefly ?
thanks in advance.

Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778343
01/21/23 12:30 PM
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I want to say one thing about Koisoi. The man is a Russian patriot and 100% supporter of his country and its leadership. Not afraid to confront where he sees that we Americans just don't get it. We all benefit from hearing his side of the story.

Irregardless of what I feel about the conflict, I just wanted to say my bet is most of us would get along just fine with Alexei if we were running trapline together.


My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778362
01/21/23 12:48 PM
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I have always been curious about Russia. Have been close to individuals that have been there. In the 80’s I was installing a water softener system in a military hospital. A technician from the supplier was brought in to do some trouble shooting on the system.

The tech had been to Russia to set up a softener system for the Olympics American Village in the 80’s for several months. We talked quite a bit about his experience in Russia. He recommended MiG Pilot and said it was a good sample of what life is like there!


I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778365
01/21/23 12:49 PM
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Kosoi...The incident happened during the Korean war, the US kept it classified until it was discussed in a Russian book but I can't remember the name of it. I agree with beaverpeeler, we all would get along, in a line from the outlaw Jose Wales...It's a shame the governments are Chiefed by the double tongues....after to many years in the military I have found all my interactions with foreign soldiers to be the same. We are just Grunts trying to survive....lol


In youth we learn, In age we Understand.
Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778386
01/21/23 01:09 PM
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There is a hanger on Eielson AFB that has Russian titles under room door English titles. I wonder if it’s the same there?


I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778410
01/21/23 01:50 PM
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FYI Russia is not the Soviet Union. Russia does not have a communist economy. Russia has an Oligarchy.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778473
01/21/23 03:09 PM
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Regarding getting along I'm sure we would get along very well. As far as Russia the great bear well I thought so untill this conflict. I figured they would roll in and right over the Ukraine. I mean it's The great Russia vs a small country they can drive to. They masses troops in advance of the invasion to prepare . Everyone knew it was coming. But they are bogged down. Why becuse we sent money and weapons systems and trained the Ukraine troops on their use.

At first I figured they were using a soft approach to keep from destroying infrastructure and civilians but the bored out buildings and targeting electrical grid seemed to prove that theory wrong. So I'm back to they just can't seem to win.
. They are drafting troops and can't properly equip them from videos I have seen. And that explains a lot.

Back to its right on your door step. It's not half way around the world and a conflict your government won't let your troops wins becuse they are in the business of making war for profit like ours is. Your government wants to appear strong and united. Putin is seen as the ultimate strong man. Yet his forces are not appearing as formidable as I had believed they were. If they were as tough as I thought this would be over now.

Don't get all worked up now it's just how things look to me and my thoughts on the matter. I'm of the opinion it's none of our business and we shouldn't be wasting billions of our money over there when we have a hung debt, unsecured boarder and infrastructure that need work.

Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: Oh Snap] #7778500
01/21/23 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Oh Snap
This book explained a lot to me about Russia. Huge difference in our 2 countries.

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Well this is kind of ironic; Lt. Belenko is Ukrainian.


"My life is better than your vacation"
Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778514
01/21/23 03:43 PM
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I've read in some posts up above the mention of US versus Russian weapon superiority. However, there are more things to factor in than hardware. I think Slavic folks, both Russian and Ukrainian, are much more able to live with hardship, long term, than are people from the West. We want wars over by dinner time. When you only consider weaponry you are not factoring in psychology. I think those folks will beat us hands-down in that regard. Especially considering the woke direction our entire culture is gravitating to.


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Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778519
01/21/23 03:49 PM
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Control the air, you control the battlefield.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778521
01/21/23 03:50 PM
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On the other hand it is obvious that the russians underestimated the grit of the Ukrainean people fighting for their homeland.
Freedom fighters fighting for their countries against agressors can be measured in hundreds of years-(Ireland for example).
We never let up since Cromwell invaded from england in the 1600,and fought until we gained freedom in 1926.

Patriots never give up when it comes to fighting for their country.

In the words of Liam Clancy


"The love of ones country is a terrible thing,
It banishes fear with the speed of a flame-
thats why we are all part of the Patriot game"


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Ukrainian Russian conflict, new perspective [Re: waggler] #7778531
01/21/23 03:59 PM
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How much fighting for their homeland did the Ukrainians do when they were part of the Soviet Union?


Who is John Galt?
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