Re: Excess Deaths
[Re: Chancey]
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From openvaers.com Vaccine Adverse events system. 1,505,275 Reports Through January 13, 2023. The graph is all vaccine deaths. Notice a spike any where. Vaers is from the CDC.
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Re: Excess Deaths
[Re: MJM]
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01/23/23 10:21 PM
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I am sure we have no idea how many COVID deaths have occurred. I know a few people who work in some of the most prominent hospitals in our state who were instructed to record COVID as the cause of every death possible and a contributing factor in others, such as motor vehicle accidents. This was directly related to federal reimbursements hospital received for COVID cases (varying by the patients' insurance or Title 19 status). I spoke with two doctors who laughed at the notion that, for some mysterious reason, there seemed to be very few cases of illness or death by seasonal influenza anymore.
In keeping with deceptive and profit driven behavior, Dr. Ben Carson was on some of the Sunday morning news programs recently and mentioned that the vaccine companies could not get emergency approval for a vaccine in an environment in which an effective therapeutic is readily available. That is why they buried and discredited all mention of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as effective therapeutics. SO many people who did actually get seriously ill from COVID could have been cleared up in a hurry but doctors were threatened against prescribing those safe and effective drugs. It is a shame and a crime.
Also, somewhere in the process of treating actual COVID patients, many doctors realized that they had killed patients by leaving them on ventilators and on their backs, and learned better treatment techniques, including flipping patients onto their stomachs rather than their backs to help clear their lungs.
I fear that this whole thing was planned, maybe as a test to see how easy it would be to make a population march blindly in lockstep, obeying orders without question.
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Re: Excess Deaths
[Re: MJM]
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01/23/23 10:23 PM
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OpenVAERS Type of site Anti-vaccine Founded January 2021 Founder(s) Liz Willner URL openvaers.com OpenVAERS is an American anti-vaccine website created in 2021 by Liz Willner.[1][2] The website misrepresents data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to promote misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.[1][2][3][4]
The VAERS data base is kept by the CDC but openvaers.com is not CDC.
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Re: Excess Deaths
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01/23/23 10:27 PM
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OpenVAERS Type of site Anti-vaccine Founded January 2021 Founder(s) Liz Willner URL openvaers.com OpenVAERS is an American anti-vaccine website created in 2021 by Liz Willner.[1][2] The website misrepresents data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to promote misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.[1][2][3][4]
The VAERS data base is kept by the CDC but openvaers.com is not CDC.
So you have a problem with people using cdc data to bring things to light? The cdc won't raise a fuss about it they would rather bury it.
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Re: Excess Deaths
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Nope, but I do have a problem with people misrepresenting data to fit their bias.
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Re: Excess Deaths
[Re: Average Joe]
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01/23/23 10:31 PM
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Nope, but I do have a problem with people misrepresenting data to fit their bias. Like the global warming hoax ?
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Re: Excess Deaths
[Re: Chancey]
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01/23/23 10:34 PM
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I remember when I was doing my internship in Chaplaincy in a major hospital in San Antonio during the beginnings and height of Covid. I heard night after night from the main local TV news that "95% of people in the hospital ICU admits were "not" vaccinated. So the theme on TV and everywhere was "hospitals are filled to the brim (we were and then some) SO GET VACCINATED!"
But I took a few walks through the medical charts day after day, as Covid roared and I'd tally who was vaccinated and who wasn't according to the physician notes. I came up with about 50/50.... vaccinated to unvaccinated in the units. It never really changed in one of America's biggest hospitals (SA is America's 7th largest city).... yet, there it was again on the news..... night after night.......
95%. 95%!!
All lies. I don't know why/who/what about the lies but it was not 95%! It was about 50%!
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Re: Excess Deaths
[Re: Marty]
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01/23/23 10:34 PM
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covid-biggest scam of the 21 century Do you really believe it was a scam, as in fake? And the whole world was in on it? That no one died? Overblown, politicised, and mishandled - yes. But a scam?
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Re: Excess Deaths
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Nope, but I do have a problem with people misrepresenting data to fit their bias. Like the global warming hoax ? Exactly - cherry pick data to fit an agenda. Now don’t get me started on those flat earthers. Abraham Lincoln once said “don’t believe everything you read on the internet”
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Re: Excess Deaths
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01/23/23 10:41 PM
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I know of no one that died at home from covid. If it was really that bad there would have been homeless dead in the streets. I think the protocall at the hospitals killed most. X2
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Re: Excess Deaths
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01/23/23 10:42 PM
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I don’t believe this thing is an absolute, which makes it impossible to pick a winner. lol
Can’t both sides be winners?
Here is a micro picture, my wife and two kids are vaxed and neither has contracted Covid. Myself and two other kids are not vaxed, we all contracted Covid but experienced mild symptoms. My Dad is vaxed, my mom isn’t, neither has contracted Covid to date. He is 86, she is 80.
It appears that there are many factors that go into efficacy of vaccines that time did not permit for perfected trials. If you did what is right for you and it has panned out, be relieved. If not, take what there is to learn from it and govern yourselves accordingly in the future.
Is it possible that the folks you speak of that "did not get COVID" actually did, but were not systematic? Millions upon millions fit that category.
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Re: Excess Deaths
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I know of no one that died at home from covid. If it was really that bad there would have been homeless dead in the streets. I think the protocall at the hospitals killed most. I believe protocol killed my brother.
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Re: Excess Deaths
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01/23/23 10:47 PM
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covid-biggest scam of the 21 century Do you really believe it was a scam, as in fake? And the whole world was in on it? That no one died? Overblown, politicised, and mishandled - yes. But a scam? covid was real. It was also a deliberate release with a purpose which would be why it was a scam. It was a man made bio weapon. When a bio weapon is developed they develop a vaccine at the same time........It was no accident, the vaccines were actually useless and may have been bad for the folks who received them, the way it was handled was to achieve political objectives. Without covid Trump would be potus today. So, yes it was a scam and it was successful at dramatically changing the world we live in.
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Re: Excess Deaths
[Re: 52Carl]
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01/23/23 10:49 PM
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I don’t believe this thing is an absolute, which makes it impossible to pick a winner. lol
Can’t both sides be winners?
Here is a micro picture, my wife and two kids are vaxed and neither has contracted Covid. Myself and two other kids are not vaxed, we all contracted Covid but experienced mild symptoms. My Dad is vaxed, my mom isn’t, neither has contracted Covid to date. He is 86, she is 80.
It appears that there are many factors that go into efficacy of vaccines that time did not permit for perfected trials. If you did what is right for you and it has panned out, be relieved. If not, take what there is to learn from it and govern yourselves accordingly in the future.
Is it possible that the folks you speak of that "did not get COVID" actually did, but were not systematic? Millions upon millions fit that category. That would be the only way because they were paranoid and tested every time they sneezed.
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Re: Excess Deaths
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01/23/23 10:49 PM
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I got vaxed,travelled to infested cities and hobnobbed all over where people were infested with covid-never got sick. Vax works great. I was never vaxxed, I travel to people's homes on an average of 8 unique homes per working day. That's upwards of 2,000 unique exposures per year for two years before I contracted the virus. Had to stay home from work for a week per company rules. Same if you were vaxxed. Had a headache and a bit of a cough. Non-vax works great!
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Re: Excess Deaths
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01/23/23 10:50 PM
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Hey Yukon how did you get into the US without a Vax pass? We drove. My wife and I are both US citizens. Dont need a pass. They didnt even ask us one covid question. Getting back into Canada the first time ( last year) was an issue though. Had to quarantine at home for 14 days when we returned, and had to test 3 times during those 14 days. The reality is we have no idea how many people had covid, let alone died from it. The tests are junk, and have been proven to be junk. Some studies showed they were wrong 90% of the time. How can you base anything off those numbers ?
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Re: Excess Deaths
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Hey Yukon how did you get into the US without a Vax pass? We drove. My wife and I are both US citizens. Dont need a pass. They didnt even ask us one covid question. Getting back into Canada the first time ( last year) was an issue though. Had to quarantine at home for 14 days when we returned, and had to test 3 times during those 14 days. Do they check or enforce that rule ?
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