Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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02/14/23 08:20 PM
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I just read that Trudeau dropped two major amendments temporarily. It didn’t say which amendments. Conservative leader Pierre Poillievre said this is just a temporary pause since, as per Pierre, Trudeau made it clear he wants to ban all civilian firearm ownership in Canada.
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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02/14/23 08:29 PM
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Typical strategy, ask for more and people are happy when you take less instead of being angry at what you took.
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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02/14/23 10:02 PM
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As an outside observer your country has the same problem a lot of our states have. An overwhelmingly urban population that see's no need for privately owned firearms. It's scary that people have no fear of government.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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02/14/23 10:11 PM
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As Rusty said above, its been a wild few weeks on this side of the border.
Take a seat, i’ll try to give you guys the rundown on whats going on in my interpretation - i am a simple firearms owner and not a lawyer so please forgive me if i get something wrong in my explaination or missed something.
Some quick background about gun control in canada to help you understand whats going on. In canada we have 3 categories of firearms; non-restricted, restricted and prohibited. Non-restricted are your basic rimfire, centerfire hunting rifles and airguns with muzzle velocity over 495 fps. To purchase these you need to take a course on safe handling and storage, pass a written and basic practical test. Its a simple procedure and most owners possess this license. Restricted are currently handguns. To possess these requires another short course and test. Movement of these requires specialized paperwork called an authorization to transport. In canada, its very difficult to get a carry permit for a restricted firearm. Some trappers with remote traplines are an exception and have carry permits. Don’t read this the wrong way, lots of folks own handguns but normally no one in canada carries an uncased handgun in public. Prohibited is a category for handguns with a very small carry signature like very short barrelled handguns, full auto rifles, etc. the important thing is you cannot acquire a prohibited license. These license holders have been grandfathered in from past generations, they can keep their firearms but they will be confiscated upon death.
The issue that is being fought wirh c-21 is that the government is proposing to classify some currently non-restricted and all restricted firearms as prohibited, all in the interest specifically of public safety. This is total bull feces as almost all gun crime in canada is carried out with smuggled firearms from the US. This bill will do nothing to increase public safety and is all about control.
Additionally, They are also not going to grandfather in the newly prohibited firearms, but instead are proposing to confiscate these previously legal firearms or provide some very small compensation in the form of a buyback to the owner - this hasn’t been confirmed yet. In canada, we don’t have a 2A like clause in our constitution so guns are not protected, however, we do have a legal right to own property and the government isn’t allowed to confiscate it - thats where the whole issue of the government buyback comes in.
Now, how do you describe one of these previously non-restricted firearms that will be confiscated? You call them “assault-style”. The jokers tried to define on paper what an assault-style rifle is, and in doing so came up with a description that included a whole list of current hunting rifles - oops. Everyone from the indigenous to the city police chiefs, ro government house members raised holy (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) as most hunting rifles would now be prohibited and confiscated.
Last week The government was forced to repeal that document identifing by make and model thousands of currently legal firearms that would have been declared prohibited. However, The main bill, c-21, is still in effect and working its way through the process. The legal challange to this bill based on public safety goes to trial in The supreme court in april.
Ok, thats enough typing - i hope i answered some of your questions. Obviously there is more i won’t get into here.
Now im going to go clean some traps and follow bocos’s tanning procedure on some coons and mink.
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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02/14/23 10:30 PM
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No matter what anybody says if your firearm is banned, why would you want it hanging over your head every time you step out of your house you can be arrested. How about if the government puts out a bounty system to squeal on your neighbor or even a person on sites like this doing the same. It just doesn’t make sense saying they aren’t coming after my guns since I live in the bush. At least in the United States we have many sheriff departments that believe in the second amendment and wouldn’t enforce it.
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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No matter what anybody says if your firearm is banned, why would you want it hanging over your head every time you step out of your house you can be arrested. How about if the government puts out a bounty system to squeal on your neighbor or even a person on sites like this doing the same. It just doesn’t make sense saying they aren’t coming after my guns since I live in the bush. At least in the United States we have many sheriff departments that believe in the second amendment and wouldn’t enforce it. With this legislation they are turning regular law abiding citizens into criminals. I have no intention of complying and I hope most others won't either. It don't male sense to pay out of pocket to buy a AR then turn around and comply with the buyback, ultimately paying for the same gun twice and not having it. Our problem and the supposedly gun problems you guys have is not the guns but mental health and drugs. Deal with the mental health issues and the drug dealing gangs the problem will be solved imo
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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Exactly what happened to the failed fed gun registry-no one complied and the next govt scrapped it altogether because it was a total waste of money and accomplished nothing. The odd person may go cap in hand to turn in some guns but the vast majority will ignore it,and when the Conservatives get in it will be tossed,revoked rescinded,legislated out-whatever vernacular you want to use.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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Exactly what happened to the failed fed gun registry-no one complied and the next govt scrapped it altogether because it was a total waste of money and accomplished nothing. The odd person may go cap in hand to turn in some guns but the vast majority will ignore it,and when the Conservatives get in it will be tossed,revoked rescinded,legislated out-whatever vernacular you want to use. Hopefully it happens, that is the Conservatives regain control. I can’t see it happening in the United States in a long time if ever since the Democrats have cheating down to a science plus the woke attitude this country now has as demonstrated in our past November election.
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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02/15/23 06:20 PM
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I am in total agreement with Boco on this. This gun thing from a true Canadian stand point is gonna be just like he said, a complete non compliance, "it just ain't gonna happen"
These wanna be Canadians that listen to the US news, and U tube specialists that follow U tube for their facts will never know the real facts.
You have a true Canadian to know the truth,
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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02/15/23 06:53 PM
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You have to be a true Canadian to know the truth, Isn't that what the truckers who had they bank accounts shut down said?
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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02/15/23 06:53 PM
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I am in total agreement with Boco on this. This gun thing from a true Canadian stand point is gonna be just like he said, a complete non compliance, "it just ain't gonna happen"
These wanna be Canadians that listen to the US news, and U tube specialists that follow U tube for their facts will never know the real facts.
You have a true Canadian to know the truth, Lol. CBC supporter by chance? And I think you are wrong. You go to any hunting/gun website and many are asking how much they'll get for their norinco AR. If they weren't going to comply, why would they care?
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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They wanna get rid of their Norinco ARs hahaha
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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand
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02/15/23 07:51 PM
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They wanna get rid of their Norinco ARs hahaha The dummies will sell their $250 Chinese junk back to feds and more than likely quadruple their money but the dummies don't understand the principle of it nor do they understand that it is tax dollars (their money and mine) paying for it. They scary thing is that there is a record of who has these guns which potentially could and would give the rcmp the power to kick in your door for no other reason then having a gun that is on the banned list.
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