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A carbon program for landowners #7841391
04/08/23 11:27 AM
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I wish I lived in 1 of the 3 Wi counties that are part of this larger program.


A carbon program for landowners and conservation - My Wisconsin Woods
https://mywisconsinwoods.org/2023/03/21/a-carbon-program-for-landowners-and-conservation/


I don't know all the specifics, but it looks like easy $.

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7841412
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Originally Posted by AJE
I wish I lived in 1 of the 3 Wi counties that are part of this larger program.


A carbon program for landowners and conservation - My Wisconsin Woods
https://mywisconsinwoods.org/2023/03/21/a-carbon-program-for-landowners-and-conservation/


I don't know all the specifics, but it looks like easy $.



Until large corporations realize they can BUY the land themselves via subsidiaries and then pay themselves for the carbon credits.

You think land is expensive now?????

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7841426
04/08/23 12:23 PM
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Get on the global warming agenda while u can. its not woke if can get $ for it

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7841434
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Be very careful and do your due diligence and read the fine print before you enter into any carbon offset sales on your property.
You are essentially giving up your timber and development rights and have to sign onto a long term deeded commitment for around 100 years. It’s all about long term carbon storage. If you op out before the term commitment, you have to pay back all money received. If you harvest any timber, called leakage, you are further penalized.
Most only pay the landowner for the 1st 25 years, but the the commitment is recorded on your deed for the remainder of the term.

Landowners with more than 5000 acres may be able to negotiate a better deal. But the brokers that handle small acreage, ie: 40 acres of forestland and larger, like Forest Carbon Works, are not offering enough $ per acre.

Landowners are getting only a small percentage, and the brokers are taking the lions share for their services.

The more I have looked into it the more I realized how much of a scam it is.

Ag land may be different ?

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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7841437
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What happens when there is a forest fire,or a bugworm infestation-do they still pay you after the forest is gone?

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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7841439
04/08/23 01:00 PM
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Good question, but I would guess that since a forest fire or infestation that cause the forest to decay, therefore releasing stored carbon back into the atmosphere, I would say your payments would end. But since the agreements are recorded on your deed, you still are locked into long term agreement ? It’s all based on the annual growth of the forest, and there are different diameter Breast height requirements dependent on which broker you use.

Also, different tree species sequester more carbon than others, so that’s a payment factor as well.

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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7841460
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One best do their research well before sign on the dotted line.

There is some folks in Iowa that sold off their mineral rights thinking they were getting the best of the deal. When their wells ran dry THEY were stuck with the cost to have new deep wells bored.

The old saying of if a deal looks too good to be true it usually is comes to mind.


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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7841466
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When will some real scientist step up and finally clear the air? Carbon, Co2 are requirements for life cycles, not inhibitors. The higher the co2 levels the more productive crops and other plants are. Temp is only one small factor in life and productivity. Higher c02 levels art a GOOD thing.

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Give them nothing and do not sell your soul for socialistic b.s.


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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7841550
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Carbon capture credit for forest land is a very complex process unless you have thousands of acres it's worth a hoot. I have a hundred acres and harvest firewood every year would not be possible in that system.

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I will not have the government tell me what I can do on my ground for a few pennies

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: Diggerman] #7841564
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
When will some real scientist step up and finally clear the air? Carbon, Co2 are requirements for life cycles, not inhibitors. The higher the co2 levels the more productive crops and other plants are. Temp is only one small factor in life and productivity. Higher c02 levels art a GOOD thing.

Government silenced the scientists/engineers in academia and private industry. with the money grab. No grants or government contracts if you speak out, you have to be a team player.

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: sweetwilliam] #7841581
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Originally Posted by sweetwilliam
Carbon capture credit for forest land is a very complex process unless you have thousands of acres it's worth a hoot. I have a hundred acres and harvest firewood every year would not be possible in that system.


The Forest Carbon Works told me cutting firewood was ok, but I did not ask them if there if there were annual volume limits.

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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: mike mason] #7841593
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Originally Posted by mike mason
Originally Posted by Diggerman
When will some real scientist step up and finally clear the air? Carbon, Co2 are requirements for life cycles, not inhibitors. The higher the co2 levels the more productive crops and other plants are. Temp is only one small factor in life and productivity. Higher c02 levels art a GOOD thing.

Government silenced the scientists/engineers in academia and private industry. with the money grab. No grants or government contracts if you speak out, you have to be a team player.

Medical too, but that's another deal altogether.


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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7841700
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Sounds like they want you to grow trees and not harvest trees. Having a forest full of large crowded mature trees with no herbaceous under story is a poor wildlife habitat.

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I can feel the planet cooling already.

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Originally Posted by Dirty D
Sounds like they want you to grow trees and not harvest trees. Having a forest full of large crowded mature trees with no herbaceous under story is a poor wildlife habitat.


Good for squirrels, some birds like it, Raccoons do well in a mature forest with multiple hollow trees. It's just not great for Deer.

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Originally Posted by AJE
I wish I lived in 1 of the 3 Wi counties that are part of this larger program.


A carbon program for landowners and conservation - My Wisconsin Woods
https://mywisconsinwoods.org/2023/03/21/a-carbon-program-for-landowners-and-conservation/


I don't know all the specifics, but it looks like easy $.

There is always a catch. If you can live with the catch its fine. I would clear cut my place then enroll in the program for that easy money for 20 years or until I die.

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Commodity producers have been receiving major subsidies, credits etc. since 1949 to improve yields and CO2 is a factor in those huge increases in yield. We have way, way more commodity, hay and other crops to use for feed, food, fiber and trade inspite of losing almost 200 million acres from production for a whole variety of factors. So we have had nearly 75 years of supporting production and now there is a shift to try and subsidize at higher levels ways to lower the carbon foot print. If we can continue to grow the products a world needs that is increasing by about 80 million per year and slow some issues, and maybe reward land owners for their willingness to participate I don't see that is an all bad option. As stated above if the government does not work in this area, the private sector will take that over like they have energy and other signifcant needs for the world.
If a few large firms or conglomerates become huge land owners than another huge portion of wealth will be in the hands of a very few and the production of those acres can then be controlled much like OPEC does when they decide when and how much to close down the faucet.
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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7842001
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Carbon capture credits, sounds like another great government program, designed to take more tax dollars from everyone and redistribute a small portion of it back to a few who "qualify" for an insignificant and unmeasurable impact on a problem we don't have. Where do I sign up.

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