Re: A carbon program for landowners
[Re: AJE]
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04/08/23 11:49 AM
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DaveP
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Until large corporations realize they can BUY the land themselves via subsidiaries and then pay themselves for the carbon credits. You think land is expensive now?????
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Re: A carbon program for landowners
[Re: AJE]
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04/08/23 12:40 PM
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Squash
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Be very careful and do your due diligence and read the fine print before you enter into any carbon offset sales on your property. You are essentially giving up your timber and development rights and have to sign onto a long term deeded commitment for around 100 years. It’s all about long term carbon storage. If you op out before the term commitment, you have to pay back all money received. If you harvest any timber, called leakage, you are further penalized. Most only pay the landowner for the 1st 25 years, but the the commitment is recorded on your deed for the remainder of the term.
Landowners with more than 5000 acres may be able to negotiate a better deal. But the brokers that handle small acreage, ie: 40 acres of forestland and larger, like Forest Carbon Works, are not offering enough $ per acre.
Landowners are getting only a small percentage, and the brokers are taking the lions share for their services.
The more I have looked into it the more I realized how much of a scam it is.
Ag land may be different ?
Last edited by Squash; 04/08/23 12:41 PM.
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Re: A carbon program for landowners
[Re: AJE]
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04/08/23 12:45 PM
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james bay frontierOnt.
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What happens when there is a forest fire,or a bugworm infestation-do they still pay you after the forest is gone?
Last edited by Boco; 04/08/23 12:45 PM.
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Re: A carbon program for landowners
[Re: AJE]
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04/08/23 01:00 PM
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Squash
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Good question, but I would guess that since a forest fire or infestation that cause the forest to decay, therefore releasing stored carbon back into the atmosphere, I would say your payments would end. But since the agreements are recorded on your deed, you still are locked into long term agreement ? It’s all based on the annual growth of the forest, and there are different diameter Breast height requirements dependent on which broker you use.
Also, different tree species sequester more carbon than others, so that’s a payment factor as well.
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Re: A carbon program for landowners
[Re: AJE]
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04/08/23 01:50 PM
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Drifter
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One best do their research well before sign on the dotted line.
There is some folks in Iowa that sold off their mineral rights thinking they were getting the best of the deal. When their wells ran dry THEY were stuck with the cost to have new deep wells bored.
The old saying of if a deal looks too good to be true it usually is comes to mind.
Some individuals use statistics as a drunk man uses lamp-posts — for support rather than for illumination.
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Re: A carbon program for landowners
[Re: Diggerman]
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04/08/23 04:43 PM
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When will some real scientist step up and finally clear the air? Carbon, Co2 are requirements for life cycles, not inhibitors. The higher the co2 levels the more productive crops and other plants are. Temp is only one small factor in life and productivity. Higher c02 levels art a GOOD thing. Government silenced the scientists/engineers in academia and private industry. with the money grab. No grants or government contracts if you speak out, you have to be a team player.
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Re: A carbon program for landowners
[Re: sweetwilliam]
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04/08/23 05:03 PM
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Squash
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Carbon capture credit for forest land is a very complex process unless you have thousands of acres it's worth a hoot. I have a hundred acres and harvest firewood every year would not be possible in that system. The Forest Carbon Works told me cutting firewood was ok, but I did not ask them if there if there were annual volume limits.
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Re: A carbon program for landowners
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04/08/23 05:30 PM
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ky_coyote_hunter
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When will some real scientist step up and finally clear the air? Carbon, Co2 are requirements for life cycles, not inhibitors. The higher the co2 levels the more productive crops and other plants are. Temp is only one small factor in life and productivity. Higher c02 levels art a GOOD thing. Government silenced the scientists/engineers in academia and private industry. with the money grab. No grants or government contracts if you speak out, you have to be a team player. Medical too, but that's another deal altogether.
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Re: A carbon program for landowners
[Re: Dirty D]
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04/08/23 09:45 PM
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Donnersurvivor
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Sounds like they want you to grow trees and not harvest trees. Having a forest full of large crowded mature trees with no herbaceous under story is a poor wildlife habitat.
Good for squirrels, some birds like it, Raccoons do well in a mature forest with multiple hollow trees. It's just not great for Deer.
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