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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: Yes sir] #7788801
02/01/23 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir

I wonder if a change of timing of fire would help. We have a few invasive species here we are learning that burning at different times really helps the effectiveness

I definitely believe that timing of the burn has everything to do with the effectiveness of control of certain species as well as what plant species benefit from the burn. I was talking with some biologists from the Arkansas Game and Fish about control burning and quail habitat enhancement. They had studies on controlled burning and found that continued dormant season burning was excluding some very beneficial quail forage plants and that doing some growing season burning along the way helped certain forage species. All controlled burns aren’t equally beneficial. You really need to know what your goal is and do some research on how to reach that goal. Most people burn because it makes it look better for a while, kinda like bush hogging.

Re: Prescribed burns [Re: Savell] #7788804
02/02/23 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Savell


... goof luck with that youpan... only thing that’ll kill it I’ve found is yanking it up by the roots with a tractor and chain for the most part.. fire just pissses it off

... the deep freeze we had a couple years ago did kill quite a bit of it in places

.. but I imagine it’ll come back stronger


The freeze of ‘21 got down to -12° here and I thought this cold will do the yaupon in. I mean after all there is some reason why it had never gotten this far north right? Didn’t seem to have any affect on it.

Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7788816
02/02/23 12:18 AM
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... it’s probably a hardier breed that far north maybe.. it killed it in spots here .. either the freeze or forest service hands found some dope that worked... big stands of it dead in places .. other places still thick as ever


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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: Pawnee] #7788932
02/02/23 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
I got an email from FSA (farm service agency) the other day asking for us not to burn. They said the smoke is hard on lungs and emergency personnel at this time with CV19. crazy

Thats interesting, there's studies that show heavy smokers are one of the lowest risk groups to contact covid.
I wonder if they have some sort of study to back that. Or are they just short handed?


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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844537
04/13/23 12:40 AM
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I'm shocked Fort McCoy chose to have a controlled burn today. 'Probably the worst day imaginable for a prescribed burn.
They are taking a lot of heat.

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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844539
04/13/23 12:44 AM
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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844540
04/13/23 12:51 AM
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For the most part the Feds USFS had suspended prescribed burns since the one in AZ got out of control and destroyed numerous houses in a multi thousand acre fire last year.


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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: jeff karsten] #7844547
04/13/23 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Heard there were no burn permits in Michigan either didn't know why probably same reason Pawnee


There are burn permits galore in Michigan when the fire danger isnt high...

Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844556
04/13/23 05:07 AM
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There was supposed to be one here in the middle of the state this week, nut may not happen with all the wind we are getting.

Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844562
04/13/23 06:13 AM
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Just completed a succussful 150 acres of longleaf pine controlled burn yesterday (south central Ga). Three of us...took 2 days. Georgia Forestry Commission created/disked the firebreaks about 2 weeks ago.

Most of this acreage had not been burned before, but were old ag fields planted in longleaf 30 to 35 years ago, so there wasn't a large fuel load. Improvements in pine forest health and wildlife benefits were the goals.

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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844574
04/13/23 06:33 AM
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Had a brush fire that burned about four acres yesterday within a two mikes of my house. It even made the local news.


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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844637
04/13/23 08:28 AM
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Control burns are an effective tool and actually should be used more, BUT the "burn windows" in the spring and fall in the Upper Midwest (WI) can be very short due to weather conditions (ex ; dry conditions, wind conditions, etc).

Re: Prescribed burns [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7844650
04/13/23 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Just completed a succussful150 acres of longleaf pine controlled burn yesterday (south central Ga). Three of us...took 2 days. Georgia Forestry Commission created/disked the firebreaks about 2 weeks ago.

Most of this acreage had not been burned before, but were old ag fields planted in longleaf 30 to 35 years ago, so there wasn't a large fuel load. Improvements in pine forest health and wildlife benefits were the goals.

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2 days to burn 150 acres? What are you guys using, baby bottles and sandbox shovels?

Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844657
04/13/23 09:14 AM
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YesSir,
A little different here than burning Kansas prairie....more than just grass here. This southern piney woods rough will be burning in the tops of 100' pines quickly if you don't watch what you're doing. We backburn and only use headfire after we have a good blackline...well away from the property lines. Even then, we prefer a creeping back fire.

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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844660
04/13/23 09:22 AM
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Any northerners on here have experience burning for blueberry production?

Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844662
04/13/23 09:27 AM
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Yea I get it. I was messing with you. We have to back burn here if you want to stop it in grass too. We only back burn for a fire break. Back burns don't get the heat we need and are too slow. Longer fire is burning greater the chance of wind switching and losing fire. We use a lot of water l, usually at least 1200 gallons in 3 sprayers for the smaller jobs. Lot of the big out fits have bigger truckers and sprayers. [Linked Image]
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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844668
04/13/23 09:38 AM
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The tract we burned past 2 days is a 1000 acre timber tract. We only burned the 150 acres of big pine timber. The rest of property is 2 year old planted loblolly pine. The 150 we burned was not contiguous. It was in 6 different locations surrounded by the young pine plantations....had to be careful...


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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844670
04/13/23 09:41 AM
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Yeah the small tracts take a lot of time. We lose a fire here in 15 mph winds some places it will burn for 20 plus miles before it hits something big enough to maybe stop it, putting a lot of cattle and houses at risk.

Re: Prescribed burns [Re: walleye101] #7844680
04/13/23 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Any northerners on here have experience burning for blueberry production?


When done early and correctly, it will GREATLY improve the blueberry crop the second year. Burn half a patch each year and you will always have a batch that is half loaded with berries. Fire is an EXTREMELY beneficial tool when done correctly. If they would relax the laws here I would be doing far more burning on my place.


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Re: Prescribed burns [Re: AJE] #7844723
04/13/23 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AJE
I'm shocked Fort McCoy chose to have a controlled burn today. 'Probably the worst day imaginable for a prescribed burn.
They are taking a lot of heat.

Looks like that fire is out of control. Wife seen on fb only 48% contained. I have a picture I took yesterday of the smoke that I took on base but can't get it to post.

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