Re: Another New York Trapper Survey
[Re: kritterpatrol]
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04/09/23 10:03 PM
04/09/23 10:03 PM
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Henderson, N.Y. Jefferson Co.
walleyed
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Henderson, N.Y. Jefferson Co.
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We could let our members know about these surveys if we were told about them from the fur team of DEC or Cornell before they were prepared or sent out. As President of the Association, I have not even received one of these surveys or for a matter of fact I did not receive the one from years ago. Everyone wants to blame us, but if we do not know about them until released and do not even receive them, we do not know until we are told by others trappers. If anyone that has received one could pass it on to someone on the board or the chair of the JTI committee, we will address. But as said, we were not notified by the other agencies that they we putting on out or even doing another survey.
Ken Hellijas NYSTA President Ken, If you PM me your home address, I shall snail mail you a hard copy of the survey that I obtained. Cornell is also e-mailing us trappers to invite us to participate in the survey. PM me your e-mail address and I shall forward you a copy of the e-mail from Cornell walleyed
Last edited by walleyed; 04/09/23 10:11 PM.
"Provisional/Interim" member of NYSTA
"I Support Non-Resident Trapping"
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Re: Another New York Trapper Survey
[Re: Fisher Man]
#7845222
04/14/23 10:34 AM
04/14/23 10:34 AM
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Joined: Aug 2015
NY
papabear!
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NY
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Questions: NYSDEC survey
#1 Did you set any traps in New York during the 2022-2023 season? yes or no
#2 Are you a licensed NWCO? yes or no
#3 Referring to the map, indicate the number of animals for each species you trapped in areas A, B, C, or D
#4 For last season, please indicate the total number of days you had traps set on land and the average number of traps set on land and water each day.
#5 Please indicate how many days in total you trapped and the average number of traps you used per day in the last season for the following species. Muskrat, Beaver, Otter Raccoon, Bobcat, Fisher
#6 If you observed any river otter, bobcat, fisher, marten or moose in NY during the past year. (fill in the boxes)
#7 Why did you choose to respond to this survey? (select all that apply) 1. The topic is important to me 2. To help NYSDEC collect accurate information 3. To make sure my information is included 4. The questions were easy to answer 5. I thought I could complete the survey quickly 6. I trust NYSDEC to use the information properly 7. I don't know 8. Other (describe below)
#8 What factors would keep you from responding to a future mail, telephone, or internet survey from NYS DEC? (select all that apply) 1. Survey arrives when I am busy/don't have free time 2. I don't want to complete more than 1 DEC survey per year 3. Survey has to many questions 4. Survey topic is not of interest 5. I screen my calls; I wouldn't answer a call about a survey 6. Its hard for me to complete survey forms on a computer. 7. It's hard for me complete survey forms on a cell phone 8. Survey questions looked complicated 9. Other (describe below)
#9 What would make it easier for you to complete surveys sent by NYSDEC? box provided for a written reply.
My survey responses to 7,8 and 9:
Question #7 Why did you choose to respond to this survey? (select all that apply) choice #2. To help NYSDEC collect accurate information
Question #8 What factors would keep you from responding to a future mail, telephone, or internet survey from NYS DEC? (select all that apply) choice #9. Other (describe below) NYSDEC manipulation of answer choices that could result in negative outcome for trapping
Question #9 What would make it easier for you to complete surveys sent by NYSDEC? written reply: NYSDEC consulting with and including input from NYSTA
My hero's have always been trappers
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Re: Another New York Trapper Survey
[Re: Fisher Man]
#7845231
04/14/23 10:54 AM
04/14/23 10:54 AM
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Joined: Mar 2020
W NY
Turtledale
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W NY
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I private messaged Bill Swagler (Vice President of NYSTA) a copy of the NYSDEC survey that he asked for, and it's gone unread. I also emailed him a copy but don't know if he got it because it went unacknowledged. This was quite a while ago.
Emails are available for officers of NYSTA on their site
NYSTA, NTA, FTA, life member Erie county trappers assn.,life member Catt.county trappers
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Re: Another New York Trapper Survey
[Re: Fisher Man]
#7845332
04/14/23 02:24 PM
04/14/23 02:24 PM
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Joined: Jul 2008
Adirondacks, NY
Fisher Man
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Joined: Jul 2008
Adirondacks, NY
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I worked for DEC for 9 years, not as a biologist, but as a Ranger on Lake George. The entire outfit is purely political.I had to go through my county political chairman to get the job.I saw how they operate, and it stinks.There is at least one Regional Wildlife Manager worth his salt,,but there are a bunch of biologists and managers that are only concerned with covering their butts. The department has a lot of antis in it.Gordon Batcheller warned us about the young biologists coming in,, products of ultra liberal, anti trapping college professors.. They hold public information meetings, but already know what they are going to do.Same thing with the surveys. They could care less about seasons when fur is prime,.Look at the October fisher season in the southern tier,or shortening The adirondack season, but on rhe wrong end.. Look at the otter restoration and the closed season for well over twenty years in the Catskills and Mohawk valley.What is this huge delay for opening a season?Lies and secret deals? The Cornell brilliants are not any better. They fed contaminated great lakes salmon to some of the reintroduction salmon.Both Cornell and DEC are not to be trusted, in my opinion.
"Far above Cayugas waters there's an awful smell, It;s an abandoned outhouse, they call Cornell."
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Re: Another New York Trapper Survey
[Re: Fisher Man]
#7845347
04/14/23 03:47 PM
04/14/23 03:47 PM
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Joined: Apr 2012
new york
mike mason
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new york
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I worked for DEC for 9 years, not as a biologist, but as a Ranger on Lake George. The entire outfit is purely political.I had to go through my county political chairman to get the job.I saw how they operate, and it stinks.There is at least one Regional Wildlife Manager worth his salt,,but there are a bunch of biologists and managers that are only concerned with covering their butts. The department has a lot of antis in it.Gordon Batcheller warned us about the young biologists coming in,, products of ultra liberal, anti trapping college professors.. They hold public information meetings, but already know what they are going to do.Same thing with the surveys. They could care less about seasons when fur is prime,.Look at the October fisher season in the southern tier,or shortening The adirondack season, but on rhe wrong end.. Look at the otter restoration and the closed season for well over twenty years in the Catskills and Mohawk valley.What is this huge delay for opening a season?Lies and secret deals? The Cornell brilliants are not any better. They fed contaminated great lakes salmon to some of the reintroduction salmon.Both Cornell and DEC are not to be trusted, in my opinion.
"Far above Cayugas waters there's an awful smell, It;s an abandoned outhouse, they call Cornell." Al has it right; nothing leaves DEC until the governor's office ok's it. No science or engineering pure politics.
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